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THe simple fact is, if it had been a black radio host that made those comments about either the rutgers team as is or the white player on the team nobody would give two shits.
Ugly, does history matter, or no? The argument you present, which is a constant on talk radio, presumes that history is irrelevant. As for your "simple fact" (hypotheticals are good for setting up straw men) there aren't that many black radio hosts that I'm aware of; and if there were, and one called white girls whores, I believe more than a few people would be up in arms.
Also, I would love it if someone on the Rutgers team said something like "Why do I care what Don Imus said?"
For the same reason that we hunt down 90 year old Nazis. I realize that there is a big difference in the degree of the crime, but the principle is the same. When you just let it go, you imply that it's not a big deal. When a public figure makes inflammatory remarks, some outrage is necessary to remind people that words can hurt and being a celebrity, especially in the media, carries with it some responsibility.
Originally Posted by matclone
By history I will assume you mean slavery or womens rights. All I can say is you cant live in the past. We should never forget the past but we cant dwell on it. I have never been involved in nor do I know anyone who was involved in slavery or the oppression of womens rights, so I dont think I should be held accountable for past actions. I dont agree with what Imus said and I think he's an idiot for saying it but there is too much backlash because of it.
By history I will assume you mean slavery or womens rights.
Yes, that's part of it but not all of it. Do you deny you are influenced by your parents and grandparents, and their parents before them? Or, is all of who you are a product of the day you were born and all the choices you've made since then (including those in childhood).
Hypothetically, suppose you had a grandparent who spent a significant amount of time in prison, and it was a sensitive point in your family, and someone called you a con or some disparaging word related to the past crime, and you beat the shit out of him, and someone came along and said: well, if you had called him a con (or other disparaging term), no one would have said anything about it. That someone would be attempting to remove any context (including history) from the incident--which is exactly what talk radio does with everything that touches on race--and is by extension the argument you make here.
All I can say is you cant live in the past .
No. But neither can you ignore the past.
We should never forget the past but we cant dwell on it. I have never been involved in nor do I know anyone who was involved in slavery or the oppression of womens rights, so I dont think I should be held accountable for past actions.
The oppression of blacks and women is still with us today. Not to the same extent or in the same way as before, but calling women whores harkens back to a time in the not so distant past when they were treated distinctly as second class citizens.
I dont agree with what Imus said and I think he's an idiot for saying it but there is too much backlash because of it.
Who do you think is talking about this story the most? I'd guess it's talk radio (it was a foremost topic yesterday morning when I happened to be listening).
I'm not just implying that it's not a big deal, I'm saying that it's not a big deal.
Originally Posted by Spider
You also say that "there is a big difference in the degree of the crime". What "crime" did Imus commit?
Freedom of expression means that you have the freedom to express thoughts that no one wants to hear. If his company decides to fire him, then they are perfectly within their rights to do so. If people want to boycott products that are advertised on his show, that's fine also. But, speaking as a white person, I think that race relations would be healthier when minorities can say "Who gives a sh*t" when stuff like this happens, instead of falling all over themselves to play the victim. Imus is a stupid old white guy, but he shouldn't even be in the same sentence as 90 year old Nazis.
instead of falling all over themselves to play the victim.
I think we white men are the victims. If I'm on the road, seven days a week, at any time of day or night, anywhere there is reception, I can turn on my am radio and hear how wrong the world treats us. Who else has this sort of representation?
Okay, not "crime," but offense. I'm not saying that Imus committed a crime and should be punished. I'm saying that he has a responsibility to behave a certain way when he is in the public eye. It's one thing to express an unpopular opinion and quite another to knowingly miscategorize people as "hoes" and make fun of racial physical features. Maybe it's just a question of respect, and the lack of respect for others that is rampant in the shock-jock world, and the effect this has on society's acceptance of such attitudes.
Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts
Edit: . . . and as in the case of hunting Nazis, when you ignore it, you accept it.
Last edited by Spider; 04-10-2007 at 12:27 PM.
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I don't think I'm alone in those who are put off by the term. Maybe it's that there is no term that is equivalent in defining men in a derogatory sexual way.
Originally Posted by UGLY
It doesn't matter if he said it about all female athletes or all women in the world - it's derogatory. I was particularly put off that he said it about athletes because they work hard to excel and he belittled their efforts.
"All my life I have tried to pluck a thistle and plant a flower wherever the flower would grow in thought and mind." -- Abraham Lincoln
Originally Posted by matclone
I am and have been influenced by my family in many ways like everyone has. I also have a sense of what is right and wrong and have the ability to part ways with them when I feel they are wrong. My Grandfather is a great example of this, he is a bigot hands down but I can express my own views and keep my own beliefs.
When you speak about prison it does hit close to home. I have had many family members including myself (jail) spend time in prison and jail. Some of my family is straight up white trash and hillbilly but I love them. THat doesnt mean that if someone talks bad about them I will go to the knuckles for it. When I was a child I may have but what do I care now. I know who I am and what my family is thats all that matters.
If the Black community is so offended by what Imus said, where is the outrage against rappers. Why is it acceptable for rappers (which are mostly black) to verbaly rape and demean women? Why no backlash from the Black community for that. What Imus said in Dr. Suess compared to most rappers.
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