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    I don't know much about Scientology, but I know that Tom Cruise is a whack-job. Wide eyed, deer in the headlights true believers are scary to behold, whether they are scientologists, christian fundamentalists, or Muslims. Full disclosure - I'm an atheist, but not a socialist. I'm into warm summer rain, big sacks of money, and spooning.

    Here's Cruise (let it play for a few seconds, because it initially says that the video has been removed), and here is a nice parody (click on the link below).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O2_rZIgrQI
    http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3f7...jerry-oconnell

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    As I have said before, talking to an atheist about spiritual matters really doesn't make too much sense. But for just for the hell of it I will comment on the video you posted.

    Looking at a video out of context, (or any data for that matter) can always look out of sorts to say the least. This video was played for church members for an awards ceremony for Tom in England. Obviously for some it had meaning, for others it is a source of humor to deride it.

    I think you can walk into many churches or places of worship & see & hear things that will not make sense to you especially if you think that you are your genetic code & that you re only going to live one life, (for example) & you are listening to another group discuss, (for example) past lives or psychic powers etc.

    The real bottom line is people do what works for them. And if they have any integrity @ all then they don't worry about what others are thinking too much. I think anyone who has a spiritual belief living in a material world already knows this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    As I have said before, talking to an atheist about spiritual matters really doesn't make too much sense.
    I would submit that discussing spirituality with an atheist is the best way to test your beliefs - unless you just want to hear people agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by washed up wrestler View Post
    I know this whole thing morphed into a monster. All of us who posted are to blame-except for Jensen; he was born perfect a couple of decades ago and prays to the God of Jensen.
    I'm glad you finally realized this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    I would submit that discussing spirituality with an atheist is the best way to test your beliefs - unless you just want to hear people agree with you.
    I agree with that. I love to discuss and debate issues such as relition and politics with people that disagree with me, as long as they don't get so mad that an intelligent conversation can't continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    I would submit that discussing spirituality with an atheist is the best way to test your beliefs - unless you just want to hear people agree with you.

    Maybe that makes sense to an atheist as MOST of them doubt things so virulently that the end result of the "conversation" is an continual bombardment to try & get the other person to doubt their own truth & senses.

    This might not be so bad but OFTEN then they offer zero alternative to the person to whose belief system they just tried to dismantle if not destroy.

    What I have found is that most atheist have doubts themselves, (usually as spiritual beings) & do not feel good about themselves unless others have the same uncertainty about their lives as they do. Who needs that?

    I often feel sorry for them & want to help them but I have found more often then not it is like putting yourself, spiritually, in a den of vipers. Not interested. I think any person of any spiritual persuasion would probably agree.
    Last edited by kr1963; 11-26-2009 at 03:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    I agree with that. I love to discuss and debate issues such as relition and politics with people that disagree with me, as long as they don't get so mad that an intelligent conversation can't continue.

    HA HA good luck with that one. There are guys on this BB just waiting for you to express yourself so they can rain down on you.

    There is such a polarization going on in this country that if it doesn't change soon surely it will lead to our demise as a superpower/economic leader etc. We have pretty good model of agreement in the Constitution but we are screwing that up big time.

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    I have to say, kr1963 has remained calm and has avoided name-calling and ridicule, which is admirable.

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    Thanks nuts
    enjoy your turkey

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