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    I would say no to using that word because it is a racial slur. I dont care how you use a word if it is in general considered to be a negative against another race, which is in fact a slur. Just because you pretty it up does not change the fact that by definition it is a slur so dont use it.

    I dont care how you or your friends think about the words, you and your friends make a tiny less that 1/10 percent of the population minority, your feelings on the subject are in the minority. So what you believe to be acceptable in this case is really not. If you are in your home with people you know then fine. If you start your own message board than fine use whatever language you want.

    Just because you may be or your friends are a certain race does not mean you can use words that might offend other people simply because you are of that ethnic persuasion, I think Bill Cosby has covered this. I dont care about cussing or being brash and rude but when it comes to race it is better to stay on the safe side of the issue.

    If you were at a sporting event that you paid to get into and you started dropping racial slurs in anyway you could be thrown out if one person was offended. They would come and give you a warning then they would escort you out. This is a public forum, the MMA forum is not private and I dont care who the regulars are, I care about those who will visit and see it and scream about it. As I said before just leave this alone and you will most likely never see me mod anything again. IF you cant abide and this is just too much feel free to go somewhere else. I dont understand why you couldn't just abide by a simple rule.
    I would argue that the word can be used as a racial slur, but isn't necessarily one at all times. A slur is an insult is disparaging remark. I'm holding distinguished legal scholar, (and Harvard law professor) Randall Kennedy's national best seller titled n*gger in my hands. And while you and JensenS probably know better than the doctor, he disagrees with your position. He actually says that it is a word of "affection and empowerment". Of course I'm referring to the word that I used in the thread that was locked up, not the word that it is being associated with here in this discussion. Why is this important? Because I don't see affection and empowerment as matching up with the definition of a slur, rather it is the exact opposite. So we know that there is some ignorance going on here and I'd love to get to the bottom of what that is, but the discussions keep getting locked up. Is the goal to suppress discussion so that those who are ignorant remain ignorant? What is the goal here, it can't possibly be that we are not allowed to refer to each other in terms of affection or empowerment.

    As for who would be ejected from a game from calling someone else a slur, I couldn't care less. I don't call anyone by any slurs so it hardly impacts me at all.

    Oh and why do I own a book titled n*gger? Because this isn't the first time that ignorance has caused this discussion to surface. The first time I encountered it, I decided to inform myself on the word. And while a silly number like 1/10 of 1 percent may be thrown out there to describe me, it is actually pretty spot on, only on the other side of ignorance. Anyone care to join me and be informed?
    Lets go Brent!

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    I would like to be informed, Ballcoach. I'm spinning with some of these goings-on. I will pick this book up; it sounds fascinating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pimach View Post
    I made the thread, didnt put in there what I was, then others chimed in and I disclosed my ethnicity and next thing you know it closed.
    Your disclosure had nothing to do with the thread being closed or remaining open.

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    Thank you Dingo, please do you will not be disappointed. It covers the history of the word and it gives us many different perspectives on it. One narrow minded perspective is that it is a word of hate. But there are others. And not only the word that the book is titled after, it goes into great detail about other words similar/associated with and what they mean and their impact on African Americans.

    Randall is a cool a$$ dude, (no slur intended) and knows his stuff, undergraduate from Princeton, Law degree from Yale, Rhodes scholar, and law clerk to supreme court justice Thurgood Marshal before joining the faculty at Harvard Law. The brotha, (again no slur intended) is down right nasty with his info and experience arguing law issues with regards to law.
    Lets go Brent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    I would argue that the word can be used as a racial slur, but isn't necessarily one at all times. A slur is an insult is disparaging remark. I'm holding distinguished legal scholar, (and Harvard law professor) Randall Kennedy's national best seller titled n*gger in my hands. And while you and JensenS probably know better than the doctor, he disagrees with your position. He actually says that it is a word of "affection and empowerment". Of course I'm referring to the word that I used in the thread that was locked up, not the word that it is being associated with here in this discussion. Why is this important? Because I don't see affection and empowerment as matching up with the definition of a slur, rather it is the exact opposite. So we know that there is some ignorance going on here and I'd love to get to the bottom of what that is, but the discussions keep getting locked up. Is the goal to suppress discussion so that those who are ignorant remain ignorant? What is the goal here, it can't possibly be that we are not allowed to refer to each other in terms of affection or empowerment.

    As for who would be ejected from a game from calling someone else a slur, I couldn't care less. I don't call anyone by any slurs so it hardly impacts me at all.

    Oh and why do I own a book titled n*gger? Because this isn't the first time that ignorance has caused this discussion to surface. The first time I encountered it, I decided to inform myself on the word. And while a silly number like 1/10 of 1 percent may be thrown out there to describe me, it is actually pretty spot on, only on the other side of ignorance. Anyone care to join me and be informed?
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    Randall also said this "I'm not saying that any particular instance of using the N-word is any more horrifying and menacing than any other such word," he told Daniel Smith in The Atlantic. "I am saying that from a broad sociological view, the word is associated with more havoc in American society than other racial slurs." [8]

    If you wish to debate this issue feel free to bring it over to the Political forum where it is appropriate.

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    Randall also said this "I'm not saying that any particular instance of using the N-word is any more horrifying and menacing than any other such word," he told Daniel Smith in The Atlantic. "I am saying that from a broad sociological view, the word is associated with more havoc in American society than other racial slurs." [8]

    If you wish to debate this issue feel free to bring it over to the Political forum where it is appropriate.




    Interesting. So the issue is that its not in the appropriate forum, not that its a slur?

    And let's be clear, the word you're talking about is not the word I'm talking about. Of course we can't say which word we're talking about since we're not allowed to write either word or any words associated with them. Pretty silly, isn't it?

    I would indeed love to debate it and I suspect that I'd be able to provide a different perspective for you. I can tell you what that book says and what Randall's take is cover to cover. I'm very confident that I understand both the word you're using as well as the one I used as well or better than most. now exactly how will we go about debating the topics if we're not allowed to use either word? You're making my point for me UGLY. If we're too scared to even mention the word, how can we learn and understand each other better? If nothing else, I'm glad to know that you at least see this point.
    Lets go Brent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Interesting. So the issue is that its not in the appropriate forum, not that its a slur?

    And let's be clear, the word you're talking about is not the word I'm talking about. Of course we can't say which word we're talking about since we're not allowed to write either word or any words associated with them. Pretty silly, isn't it?

    I would indeed love to debate it and I suspect that I'd be able to provide a different perspective for you. I can tell you what that book says and what Randall's take is cover to cover. I'm very confident that I understand both the word you're using as well as the one I used as well or better than most. now exactly how will we go about debating the topics if we're not allowed to use either word? You're making my point for me UGLY. If we're too scared to even mention the word, how can we learn and understand each other better? If nothing else, I'm glad to know that you at least see this point.
    No racial slurs or epithets need to be used anywhere on this board. The debate about whether or not you should be allowed to use any of these words belongs in the Political/Religion forum. So if you wish to debate the use of these types of words or the meaning of these words then please take it over there, I will be happy to oblige you. We can even start a poll asking people if they believe it is alright to use racial slurs in anyway shape or form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    No racial slurs or epithets need to be used anywhere on this board. The debate about whether or not you should be allowed to use any of these words belongs in the Political/Religion forum. So if you wish to debate the use of these types of words or the meaning of these words then please take it over there, I will be happy to oblige you. We can even start a poll asking people if they believe it is alright to use racial slurs in anyway shape or form.
    The usage of alleged slurs or epithets have been going on in this forum since we started posting here and NOW you want to start censoring stuff? Hell I've seen the word redskin used on here and noone has censored that and that's worse than the dreaded n word

    Let me ask you, did someone complain and if so who was it?
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