The pressures of performance enhancing drugs in the world of mma.

[p-jersey]

haha i am assuming that is a joke.

[Adolf Oliverbush]

I think GSP - Alves will be the last totally clean title fight we see for a long time.

Much like your hair style, that has got to be a big fat joke.

I'll tell you what Claudale, I have it on very good authority that both of those guys are sauced to the motherfcuking gills. Both of them Claudale, not just Alves. I'll go ahead and send you a PM because I don't like to put info out like that, but ask yourself, how many times have you seen GSP look better then the last time? About every single time with exception to his defeats? Yeah, there's a reason for that. Alves couldn't beat some 155 pounders just a couple of years ago. Now he's smashing everyone in sight, seemingly over night. He couldn't make weight by over 4 pounds against Hughes. There's a reason for that Claudale. This fight ought to be called battle of the needle. When you get serious PM me and I'll tell you what I know. I'm sick and tired of some of these guys being praised for being so classy and such phenomenal athletes. Yeah right, it's who has the best chemist making their stuff for them.

Peter and thecobra, thank you for bringing this topic up. It's long past due for discussion.

[Adolf Oliverbush]

@#$%^

[gjfovf]

Check out the book Faust's Gold by Steven Ungerleider, PHD. It is an in depth book about the East German doping machine. As a German ex-pat, Herr Oliverbush, it is worth the read. It deals with pressure to perform, win at all costs, and the physically devastating side effects of prolonged steroid abuse.

[clmetal]

LOL. It was sarcasm. I think of the 2 of them as the most enhanced out there. Alves has absolutely ballooned and some say the juice was why he missed weight against Hughes.

Wonder if Hughes does it?

Remember years ago he was supposed to be so much stronger than everyone else from his farming background and he was a 2x AA at a smaller D1 wrestling school in only 2 years of D1 wrestling.

Just seems like everyone caught up with him. Plus he said he can't handled more than 2 hours of hard training in a day while people like Sherk and GSP seem like they can train around the clock.

[Adolf Oliverbush]

Hughes is one guy I would be surprised to find out that is on the gear. You just listed several examples of why it doesn't seem like he is. Others caught him and left him in the dust. Can't train too much, lack of recovery. That Alves would blow him out in the fashion that he did is is nothing short of remarkable.

[Adolf Oliverbush]

Check out the book Faust's Gold by Steven Ungerleider, PHD. It is an in depth book about the East German doping machine. As a German ex-pat, Herr Oliverbush, it is worth the read. It deals with pressure to perform, win at all costs, and the physically devastating side effects of prolonged steroid abuse.

An excellent book. It sits in my library for that exact reason. I loaned it to Winston when the big man was dabbling with steroids a while back.

[gjfovf]

An excellent book. It sits in my library for that exact reason. I loaned it to Winston when the big man was dabbling with steroids a while back.

Crazy stuff in that book..

[clmetal]

Hughes is one guy I would be surprised to find out that is on the gear. You just listed several examples of why it doesn't seem like he is. Others caught him and left him in the dust. Can't train too much, lack of recovery. That Alves would blow him out in the fashion that he did is is nothing short of remarkable.

we agree, but I wonder if he is now open to it (saying he wants to fight Alves and GSP again). I don't think the sport was as important to him.

I also think Randy wasn't juiced (or as juiced) until he made his comeback at Hwt.