A question concerning the Double Grapevine (a.k.a. Saturday Night Ride)

[azref87]

Yes, it's very effective if the top man has the legs in securely, extends his legs, arches his back, and lifts the head to prevent bridging. The top man can wrap both arms around the head and lift it off the mat - it is a legal headlock in this situation even without an arm encircled.

I've always wondered about that. So the ref wouldn't call that illegal in the double grapevine situation? Wouldn't a situation like that potentially cut off the breath or circulation in the bottom guy?

2006 - 2007 NFHS Case Book and Manual, page 41, 7.1.5 Situation C:

"This is not a headlock because the pressure applied here is against the head and not around it. The pressure here would be no different than the pressure applied against the head when using a three-quarter nelson."

Let this be clarified that this is only a legal headlock in Folkstyle. In FS/GR, you need the arm.

[vaisforlovers]

I much prefer riding double legs. Much less risk than when you're riding with just one leg in my opinion. If you get a kid who can power half this can be a go to series. It's a great way to wear a kid down and with just some patience they'll eventually give in.

[The Vanilla Gorilla]

I would say so. I would counter a lot of rolls with the double grapevine...I had 5 or 6 falls this year by double grapevine out of 16 or so

[kr1963]

I much prefer riding double legs. Much less risk than when you're riding with just one leg in my opinion. If you get a kid who can power half this can be a go to series. It's a great way to wear a kid down and with just some patience they'll eventually give in.

Yes but with a double you are not as mobile where with a single I can move & do other things if I have to.

[Spider]

Yes but with a double you are not as mobile where with a single I can move & do other things if I have to.

I completely agree. Also, the ref will probably call stalling or stalemate sooner with a double because it's harder to change up to something else if your halfs and power halfs aren't working.

[The Vanilla Gorilla]

Hahahahahahahaha.....that's gold. Hilarious.

[MOJO]

Its a great move to (carefully) move into for the fall following a nice chin-whip from standing or following a turk-> catch head-> elevate turked leg high-> switch legs-> arch hips HARD. I have done both, but my favorite was catching a EIWA champ and Canadian Olympian in it off the chin whip. He was so big and strong, that he seemed to think he could just bodylock me through, but once he felt my whole body on his far side, it was pretty much over.