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    On another thread "Playing the edge" was brought up. What are your thoughts on this tactic?

    I have seen this tactic used more and more frequently. A kid gets up 1 or 2 points then starts playing the edge, and if the kid is a good defensive wrestler he can just basically stall for the win. It makes for some boring wrestling.

    I have heard many different views on this subject and I wanted to see what our esteemed forum members thought about it.

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    I think its for pussies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrastler118 View Post
    I think its for pussies.

    What he said ^^^^^

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    A few thoughts....

    A good ref should be able to keep it to a minimum.

    This is one reason why I prefer mat wrestling over takedown clinincs.
    I wish the rules would encourage pinning rather than accumulating takedowns.

    I'd like to do way with the neutral start and start each wrestler up & down in the 2nd and 3rd periods.

    However, working the edge is within the rules and I can't blame someone for using it their advantage if they are allowed to get away with it.

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    I hate it, especially when you get in on a good shot and they can dive outta bounds. We have a few teams that do it all the time and they get away with it because they are perrenial powers.

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    However, working the edge is within the rules and I can't blame someone for using it their advantage if they are allowed to get away with it.

    Actually, it's not "within the rules" we simply don't have enough officials with the stones to call it as it's stated in the rule book.

    5.10.3 Neutral Position. Each wrestler must make an honest attempt to
    work toward the center of the mat and maintain an attack to secure a
    takedown, regardless of the time or score of the match. Contestants may
    maneuver to avoid the tie-up if such action is taken to improve position
    or acquire a takedown. Repeated movement away from the opponent
    without attempting a takedown is defined as fleeing the opponent and is
    stalling. A contestant who continuously avoids contact without initiating
    an attack, plays the edge of the mat, secures a single leg and does not
    attempt to finish the move, or uses upper-body tie-ups to control and
    move the opponent without attempting a takedown, is stalling. Repeated
    use of the head as a lever to acquire a defensive position while in the
    tie-up is stalling.


    I don't disagree that for some it's a good tactic if they are blessed with the 95% of officials who won't call them for stalling. My thoughts on the tactic remain the same though. It's employed by inferior, hesitant, wrestlers with little or no offensive ability or inclination and should be called as stalling as soon as it occurs to discourage its use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    [I]My thoughts on the tactic remain the same though. It's employed by inferior, hesitant, wrestlers with little or no offensive ability or inclination and should be called as stalling as soon as it occurs to discourage its use.
    I agree 100%. It is completely contrary to the concept of aggressive wrestling, which is the foundation of the sport and the spirit (and the letter, as Therick pointed out) of the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    However, working the edge is within the rules and I can't blame someone for using it their advantage if they are allowed to get away with it.

    Actually, it's not "within the rules" we simply don't have enough officials with the stones to call it as it's stated in the rule book.

    5.10.3 Neutral Position. Each wrestler must make an honest attempt to
    work toward the center of the mat and maintain an attack to secure a
    takedown, regardless of the time or score of the match. Contestants may
    maneuver to avoid the tie-up if such action is taken to improve position
    or acquire a takedown. Repeated movement away from the opponent
    without attempting a takedown is defined as fleeing the opponent and is
    stalling. A contestant who continuously avoids contact without initiating
    an attack, plays the edge of the mat, secures a single leg and does not
    attempt to finish the move, or uses upper-body tie-ups to control and
    move the opponent without attempting a takedown, is stalling. Repeated
    use of the head as a lever to acquire a defensive position while in the
    tie-up is stalling.


    I don't disagree that for some it's a good tactic if they are blessed with the 95% of officials who won't call them for stalling. My thoughts on the tactic remain the same though. It's employed by inferior, hesitant, wrestlers with little or no offensive ability or inclination and should be called as stalling as soon as it occurs to discourage its use.

    Back in the day when I wrestled, you would get 1 maybe 2 warnings to work toward the center and then get hit with a stall warning. The officials have backed way off of it since the neutral start came into effect.
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    In Freestyle and College they have the 1pt pushout rule. Do you think that it could be amended to include if the wrestler intentionaly goes out of bounds while playing the edge?

    Do you think the pushout rule and amendment should be incorporated in High School rules?
    This could help to keep it agressive and be a deterant to playing the edge.

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