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    Holt - I know you train at the OTC, so I'm asking you this. How much time do our guys spend specifically on refining and learning technique versus time spent on strength and conditioning? I'm asking for more of a general ratio thing....

    The reason I ask this, is because I've read from those who've trained in Russia, that they spend almost all of their time drilling and wrestling and very little time (by comparison) running, biking, lifting, etc. Do you think that we might benefit from spending more time just wrestling and using that as our primary means of conditioning?

    I also can't remember the last time I saw a US freestyle wrestler throw anyone. Aside from some pathetic (often slipped) attempts at arm throws. It seems that all of our guys are very limited in their array of technique. Doesn't that make us easier to defend? I watch Russian nationals from the last few years and I see tons of throws from multiple guys, I also see an array of technique that makes us look almost remedial in comparison.

    Is there any promotion or instruction on throwing at the national level? Do the coaches encourage the guys to step outside of their comfort zone when training and master new and different techniques? Or are we just focused on mastering the technique we already know?

    Judging by ktsoyev, Gatsalov and Makhov I think the Russians have been doing some weightlifting.

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    they used to call it fleeing the hold, dono if they still do. But i didnt not agree with the call given against tushivili, which is the only example of stalling that i have seen in recent freestyle international competition.

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    if you look up this years world cup. geduev vs gairdarov, BLR is cautioned and RUS earns the point

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    Well then........if stalling isn't called......then it is not part of FS wrestling............so adapt and change styles to meet the challenge. You cannot complain that we lose because international wrestling doens't use our strategy. We are the minority and as long as we stick with Catch as Catch Can wrestling, we will behind the eightball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    Holt - I know you train at the OTC, so I'm asking you this. How much time do our guys spend specifically on refining and learning technique versus time spent on strength and conditioning? I'm asking for more of a general ratio thing....

    The reason I ask this, is because I've read from those who've trained in Russia, that they spend almost all of their time drilling and wrestling and very little time (by comparison) running, biking, lifting, etc. Do you think that we might benefit from spending more time just wrestling and using that as our primary means of conditioning?

    I also can't remember the last time I saw a US freestyle wrestler throw anyone. Aside from some pathetic (often slipped) attempts at arm throws. It seems that all of our guys are very limited in their array of technique. Doesn't that make us easier to defend? I watch Russian nationals from the last few years and I see tons of throws from multiple guys, I also see an array of technique that makes us look almost remedial in comparison.

    Is there any promotion or instruction on throwing at the national level? Do the coaches encourage the guys to step outside of their comfort zone when training and master new and different techniques? Or are we just focused on mastering the technique we already know?
    I spend alot of time with the freestyle team since I am rehabbing. I know what they do every day. I can tell you people are really, really, offbase about how Americans train. Freestyle has 11 practices a week. Only 3 of them are strength and conditioning based, and alot of guys do technique after they are done with the strength and conditioning. On those days, they alslo do wrestling based practices that afternoon. At wrestling practices, virtually no time is spent conditioning. about 80% of their practice is refining techniques, tactics, and strategies from different positions and scenarios in a match. Keep in mind, most European teams practics only 5-6 times a week.

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    Zeke is going to make practice harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyholt View Post
    I spend alot of time with the freestyle team since I am rehabbing. I know what they do every day. I can tell you people are really, really, offbase about how Americans train. Freestyle has 11 practices a week. Only 3 of them are strength and conditioning based, and alot of guys do technique after they are done with the strength and conditioning. On those days, they alslo do wrestling based practices that afternoon. At wrestling practices, virtually no time is spent conditioning. about 80% of their practice is refining techniques, tactics, and strategies from different positions and scenarios in a match. Keep in mind, most European teams practics only 5-6 times a week.
    Good to hear from someone on the inside.
    Do you have any of your own thoughts on what the US needs to change to once again be among the best in the world?

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    Thanks Holt.

    I'll second ODH's question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoWrestler View Post
    Judging by ktsoyev, Gatsalov and Makhov I think the Russians have been doing some weightlifting.
    Obviously they lift, but my question was more directed toward the amount of time spent focusing on weight training. The Russians are certainly strong, but they also appear to be well ahead of us in technique, strategy and tactics. Which in turn translates into being well ahead of us in medals and wins.

    I'm not all that well versed in Judo, but I've noticed some people on different boards commenting on the throw techniques by the Russians as often being based on Judo technique. Is this a correct observation?

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