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    Moving onto the Quarters...

    Penn State v. Nebraska
    125: Donahoe dec McKnight 3-0 Nebraska
    133: Jordan dec Haas 6-0 Nebraska
    141: Strayer maj Aleksanyan 6-4 Nebraska
    149: Jenkins dec Burroughs 7-6 Penn State
    157: Vallimont dec Oliver 10-6 Penn State
    165: Dwyer dec Rella 10-9 Penn State
    174: Browne dec Erwin 12-10 Nebraska
    184: Jones dec Bomberger 15-10 Nebraska
    197: Davis maj Brester 15-14 Nebraska
    285: May dec Laboranti 19-14 Nebraska

    Someone is going to have to steal a win for the newly #1 Nittany Lions. One of the Dave's will probably be their best bet, but it certainly doesn't look promising for them. Jenkins v. Burroughs should be the match of the dual, and Burroughs is more than capable of beating him.

    Central Michigan v. Minnesota
    125: Ness maj Smith 4-0 Minnesota
    133: Reiter maj Beebe 8-0 Minnesota
    141: Rivera maj Kruger 12-0 Minnesota
    149: Schlatter dec Carter 15-0 Minnesota
    157: Schlatter dec Brown 18-0 Minnesota
    165: Glasser dec Stewart 21-0 Minnesota
    174: Sinnott dec Dretsch 21-3 Minnesota
    184: Kish dec Sinnott 24-3 Minnesota
    197: Michalak maj Bronson 24-7 Minnesota
    285: Gritter dec Nord/Berhow 24-10 Minnesota

    Another CMU dual, another win for Minnesota. That front five is just too good. 165 is a toss, and 184 might be since Kish has been gone a while, and Sinnott always wrestles him tough. Either way, Minnesota wins with their bonuses down low.

    Iowa State v. Michigan
    125: Kist dec Watts 3-0 Iowa State
    133: Fanthorpe maj Diehl 7-0 Iowa State
    141: Russell dec Gallick 7-3 Iowa State
    149: Churella dec Mueller 7-6 Iowa State
    157: Sanderson dec Marsh 10-6 Iowa State
    165: Tannenbaum dec Reader 10-9 Iowa State
    174: Luke maj Scott 13-10 Michigan
    184: Varner dec Todd 13-13
    197: Bertolino dec Biondo 16-13 Iowa State
    285: Zabriskie maj Bleske 20-13 Iowa State

    Iowa State wins regardless. Gallick is capable of knocking off Russell. More likely though might be Biondo beating Bertolino to make it 16-13 Michigan instead after 197. Zabriskie still wins with whatever they need at heavy

    Iowa v. Missouri
    125: Falck dec Pescaglia 3-0 Iowa
    133: Slaton dec McCormick 6-0 Iowa
    141: Leclere dec Hoehn 9-0 Iowa
    149: Metcalf dec Wagner 12-0 Iowa
    157: Chandler dec Morningstar 12-3 Iowa
    165: Perry dec Marable 15-3 Iowa
    174: Borschel maj Williamson 19-3 Iowa
    184: Jordan dec Keddy 19-6 Iowa
    197: Askren fall Loera 19-12 Iowa
    285: Fields dec Ellis 22-12 Iowa

    Iowa just has too much here. Jordan, Askren, and maybe Ellis if Fields is having a lazy day might make it close, but Iowa still wins

    Semi Finals
    #5 Minnesota v. Nebraska
    #2 Iowa v. #3 Iowa State
    RIP Jacob Schlottke - 1984-2011

    "If Cornell finishes ahead of Iowa with five all americans I'll jump into the Des Moines River after finals." -Herkey#1 8/16/12

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Kick off predictions here with the first half of the first round. I'm doing this assuming teams wrestle their full line ups, which they likely won't, so some bout results will probably wind up being different.

    Penn State v. UTC
    125: McKnight dec Maldonado 3-0 Penn State
    133: Haas dec Hromada 6-0 Penn State
    141: Strayer dec Cody Cleveland 10-0 Penn State
    149: Jenkins maj Knox 14-0 Penn State
    157: Vallimont dec Garvin 17-0 Penn State
    165: Rella dec Davis 20-0 Penn State
    174: Rogers dec Erwin 20-3 Penn State
    184: Bomberger dec Edmonson 23-3 Penn State
    197: Davis maj Koz 27-3 Penn State
    285: Laboranti dec Lettner 30-3 Penn State

    Don't see much going well here for UTC, especially with their best guy, Koz wrestling arguably the best overall guy in the country. Penn State will probably work some back ups in, so this one might be a little closer.

    Northwestern v. Nebraska
    125: Donahoe dec Precin 3-0 Nebraska
    133: Jordan dec Metzler 6-0 Nebraska
    141: Aleksanyan dec Sulzer 9-0 Nebraska
    149: Lang dec Burroughs 9-3 Nebraska
    157: Oliver dec Bertin 12-3 Nebraska
    165: Dwyer dec Marella 15-3 Nebraska
    174: Hayes dec Browne 15-6 Nebraska
    184: Jones fall Kelovic 21-6 Nebraska
    197: Tamillow dec Brester 21-9 Nebraska
    285: Fox dec May 21-12 Nebraska

    This might be a bit more interesting than some are anticipating. Is Donahoe being back for the duals a certainty? Because either way, Precin who's been much improved this year might have a shot at knocking him off if he's carrying any mat rust. A lot will depend on what Lang winds up doing. Either way, I think the 141/149 is a split, he wins wherever, although Burroughs is more than capable of beating him. Northwestern will definitely have to avoid giving up the fall at 184 if they're going to look to steal this dual with their upperweight pair.

    Minnesota v. West Virginia
    125: Ness fall Turnbull 6-0 Minnesota
    133: Reiter maj Anderson 10-0 Minnesota
    141: Rivera maj Oravec 14-0 Minnesota
    149: Schlatter dec Jauregui 17-0 Minnesota
    157: Schlatter dec Fryling 20-0 Minnesota
    165: Glasser dec Jones 23-0 Minnesota
    174: Dretsch dec Litton 26-0 Minnesota
    184: Kish dec Brenner 29-0 Minnesota
    197: Villers dec Bronson 29-3 Minnesota
    285: Rogers dec Nord/Berhow 29-6 Minnesota

    Minnesota should run away with this one. Rivera v. Rader would have been one of the marquee match ups of the entire weekend with Manny looking for revenge from the round of 12 last year. Both Schlatters have capable opponents, but both should beat them.

    Central Michigan v. Ohio State
    125: Smith dec Triggas 3-0 CMU
    133: Beebe dec Humphrey 6-0 CMU
    141: Jaggers dec Kruger 6-3 CMU
    149: Palmer dec Carter 6-6
    157: Brown dec Johnstone 9-6 CMU
    165: Sponseller dec Stewart 9-9
    174: Sinnott dec Picazo 12-9 CMU
    184: Pucillo dec Sinnott 12-12
    197: Michalak fall Weakly 18-12 CMU
    285: Bergman maj Gritter 18-16 CMU

    This may actually be the match of the first round. As tough as CMU is, Ohio State matches up with them very, very well, and if it shakes out exactly like this it'll be really, really interesting to see JDB going out and trying to throw Bubba over for the fall. Ohio State could turn 133 the other way, but CMU could do the same at 184. If Stewart doesn't wrestle I think Sponseller majors Puckett.

    1st half of the quarters
    #1 Penn State v. Nebraska
    #4 Central Michigan v. #5 Minnesota
    I think burroughs beats lang (if he wrestles), no way haynes takes out browne. Villers can probably major bronson. Ohio vs cmu is the best match of the opening round by FAR, I see 125, 133, 149, 165, and 184 as all potentially going either way. Is their a reason grayson isnt in at 157? Btw if bergman majors gritter I will eat my socks.

    Penn Vs Nebraska
    125: Donahoe dec mcknight 3-0 Nebaska
    133: Jorda dec Haas (md possible) 6-0
    141: Strayer MD aleksyan 6-4
    149: Burroughs dec jenkins (what a matchup!) 9-4
    157: Vallimont dec Oliver (could go either way) 9-7
    165: Dwyer dec Rella 12-7
    174: Browne dec erwin 15-7
    184: Jones dec bomberger 18-7
    197: Davis MD brester 18-10
    HVY: Laboranti dec may 18-13

    A couple of matches could either way but I dont see penn state winning this, kind of bums me out that NE PSU and MN got put on the same side ofr the bracket, because both semis will be rematches now, I would have liked to see NE vs iowa or PSU vs ISU or something like that, teams that probably wont meet this season.

    Im sure it'll end up Iowa vs ISU in the semis and NE vs Minny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    2nd Half

    Iowa State v. Hofstra
    125: Tomasette maj Kist 4-0 Hofstra
    133: Ruggirello dec Fanthorpe 7-0 Hofstra
    141: Griffin dec Gallick 10-0 Hofstra
    149: Mueller dec Smith 10-3 Hofstra
    157: Sanderson maj Bowman 10-7 Hofstra
    165: Reader maj Patrovich 11-10 Iowa State
    174: Lucas dec Scott 13-11 Hofstra
    184: Varner fall Danz 17-13 Iowa State
    197: Rovelli dec Bertolino 17-16 Iowa State
    285: Zabriskie tech Guerin 22-16 Iowa State

    Wound up a little closer than I would have originally thought just on paper. Iowa State has shots at 133, and 141 to make it an even bigger gap. Maybe Tomasette doesn't get bonus, maybe Lucas does.

    Michigan v. Northern Iowa
    125: Flores dec Watts 3-0 UNI
    133: Washington dec Diehl 6-0 UNI
    141: Russell dec Ettleson 6-3 UNI
    149: Churella maj Ettleson 7-6 Michigan
    157: Marsh dec Beets 10-6 Michigan
    165: Tannenbaum dec Fay 13-6 Michigan
    174: Luke dec Dolly 16-6 Michigan
    184: Todd maj O'Loughlin 20-6 Michigan
    197: Biondo dec Anderson 23-6 Michigan
    285: Bleske dec Bauman 26-6 Michigan

    UNI has shots here at 125, 133, 197, and 285. Michigan has shots there too. This one could be a close one, or it could be a whitewashing. Either way, Michigan's middle six carry them here.

    Missouri v. Indiana
    125: Escobedo maj Pescaglia 4-0 Indiana
    133: Hernandez dec McCormick 7-0 Indiana
    141: Hoehn dec Warren 7-3 Indiana
    149: Wagner maj Kinser 7-7
    157: Becker dec Chandler 10-7 Indiana
    165: Marable dec Coughlin 10-10
    174: Perry dec Williamson 13-10 Indiana
    184: Jordan dec Bennett 13-13
    197: Askren fall Faggiano 19-13 Missouri
    285: Ellis dec Kuhn 22-13 Missouri

    Another one with some good match ups. McCormick has been gone for while, and then almost got majored by Marble from Bucknell in his first go round back. Marable and Coughlin should be a good one, match up of two top 5 guys. Indiana would get a huge boost if Perry could throw whoever Missouri puts out at 174 for bonuses or the fall. That top end though for Missouri is just too good I think.

    Iowa v. Cornell
    125: Falck maj Perelli 4-0 Iowa
    133: Slaton dec Grey 7-0 Iowa
    141: Leclere dec McGill 10-0 Iowa
    149: Metcalf maj Frey 14-0 Iowa
    157: Leen dec Morningstar 14-3 Iowa
    165: Perry dec Lewnes 17-3 Iowa
    174: Anceravage dec Borschel 17-6 Iowa
    184: Keddy maj Moore 21-6 Iowa
    197: Panasevich dec Loera 21-9 Iowa
    285: Fields dec Hammond 24-9 Iowa

    A lot in this one probably depends on the health of the Cornell guys, they won't win, but if a lot of their guys are out this one could get ugly. Slaton v. Grey could go either way. I think Metcalf wears Frey out if he wrestles at 149, and gets the major, and Leclere might get him if Frey sucks down to 141. Perry v. Lewnes depends on which Perry shows up. Borschel might get Anceravage.

    Quarterfinals
    #1 Penn State v. Nebraska
    #4 Central Michigan v. #5 Minnesota
    #3 Iowa State v. #6 Michigan
    #2 Iowa v. #7 Missouri
    Agree with these pretty much entirely except I think grey takes slaton at 133 and borschel takes anceravage at 174 for cornell vs IA. word on the street is mizzo is not 100% and will be missing at least 1 starter.

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    Steve Brown, and Grayson have been alternating in and out at 157, Grayson wrestled against Hofstra and Edinboro, so it may wind up being him.

    Semi's
    Minnesota v. Nebraska
    125: Ness dec Donahoe 3-0 Minnesota
    133: Reiter dec Jordan 6-0 Minnesota
    141: Rivera maj Aleksanyan 10-0 Minnesota
    149: Schlatter dec Burroughs 13-0 Minnesota
    157: Schlatter dec Oliver 16-0 Minnesota
    165: Glasser dec Dwyer 19-0 Minnesota
    174: Browne dec Dretsch 19-3 Minnesota
    184: Kish dec Jones 22-3 Minnesota
    197: Brester dec Bronson 22-6 Minnesota
    285: May dec Nord/Berhow 22-9 Minnesota

    Ness and Donahoe will be one of the best of the weekend. Ness is still 2-1 against him for their careers, and he's been absolutely on fire recently. Does Donahoe still have the mojo that he wrestled with at the All Star? We'll have to see. Mack has been wrestling great recently, I think he avoids the dumb early takedown he gave up last time and wins an easier decision. Manny will do what he does. Dustin and CP should take care of business. Glasser gift wrapped that match to Dwyer last time, I think he comes with things a little better together, or maybe J sends out Saf since Glasser has been out recently, and Saf beat Dwyer solidly last year. Browne will probably beat Dretsch, Kish will probably beat Jones. I didn't give Brester the bonus point because he wouldn't have gotten it last time if Bronson hadn't gotten stupid and gotten 5 pointed late. Heavys still aren't coming along quite as expected, and May is good.

    Iowa v. Iowa State
    125: Falck maj Kist 4-0 Iowa
    133: Slaton dec Fanthorpe 7-0 Iowa
    141: Gallick dec Leclere 7-3 Iowa
    149: Metcalf dec Mueller 10-3 Iowa
    157: Sanderson dec Morningstar 10-6 Iowa
    165: Perry dec Reader 13-6 Iowa
    174: Borschel maj Scott 17-6 Iowa
    184: Varner dec Keddy 17-9 Iowa
    197: Bertolino maj Loera 17-13 Iowa
    285: Zabriskie dec Fields 17-16 Iowa

    This is going to be a close one. I think Iowa wins regardless, though, as I've turned two bouts over to Iowa State from last time just on hunches, and Iowa still comes out the winner. They just have a little too much.

    Finals: Minnesota v. Iowa
    3rd Place: Iowa State v. Nebraska
    RIP Jacob Schlottke - 1984-2011

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    22-9? I'll take a bet on this match.

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    The gap in scores wound up being a little wider put down on paper than I actually thought in my head.

    Sorry, but I just don't feel strong enough about it to bet.

    Finals
    Minnesota v. Iowa
    125: Ness maj Falck 4-0 Minnesota
    133: Reiter dec Slaton 7-0 Minnesota
    141: Rivera dec Leclere 10-0 Minnesota
    149: Schlatter dec Metcalf 13-0 Minnesota
    157: Schlatter dec Morningstar 16-0 Minnesota
    165: Perry maj Glasser/Saf 16-4 Minnesota
    174: Borschel dec Dretsch 16-7 Minnesota
    184: Kish dec Keddy 19-7 Minnesota
    197: Beatty dec Bronson 19-10 Minnesota
    285: Fields dec Nord/Berhow 19-13 Minnesota

    Been saying it pretty much all year, 19-13 Minnesota. Both teams are great, especially down low, but I think Minnesota is just better.

    3rd Place
    125: Donahoe maj Kist 4-0 Nebraska
    133: Fanthopre dec Jordan 4-3 Nebraska
    141: Gallick dec Aleksanyan 6-4 Iowa State
    149: Burroughs dec Mueller 7-6 Nebraska
    157: Sanderson dec Oliver 9-7 Iowa State
    165: Reader dec Dwyer 12-7 Iowa State
    174: Browne dec Scott 12-10 Iowa State
    184: Varner dec Jones 15-10 Iowa State
    197: Brester dec Bertolino 15-13 Iowa State
    285: Zabriskie dec May 18-13 Iowa State

    Nebraska matches up well with a lot of teams, I however don't think Iowa State is one of them.

    1st: Minnesota
    2nd: Iowa
    3rd: Iowa State
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    The gap in scores wound up being a little wider put down on paper than I actually thought in my head.

    Sorry, but I just don't feel strong enough about it to bet.
    Don't feel strong enough about it? 22-9, That looks pretty strong to me.

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    Whatever, it might wind up 22-9, it might not.

    I don't really care enough about the spread to bet about it. I think Minnesota wins, be it by 1 point, 15 points, or on criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Whatever, it might wind up 22-9, it might not.

    I don't really care enough about the spread to bet about it. I think Minnesota wins, be it by 1 point, 15 points, or on criteria.
    I'm not talking about the spread
    Just "the match"?

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