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    No wonder he hasnt been canned.

    Rutgers leadership is the creepiest bunch of losers fathomable.

    Rutgers basketball coach caught on tape abusing players - CBS News
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    Not sure why this is in the college wrestling thread but I agree completely. Hopefully he'll never coach at any level again, he was just canned this morning. The AD should be next, what an idiot. Too many athletic departments have lost track of what it all means to be a student-athlete.

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    Because Scott Goodale is a college wrestling coach. Ive wondered how he maintains employment with such poor results. Apparently Rutgers tolerates not only poor results but poor treatment of players.

    Im sure Goodale is a good guy, but he consistently does the least with the most. Administrators are clearly clueless and have horrific judgement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    Hopefully he'll never coach at any level again, he was just canned this morning. The AD should be next, what an idiot.
    Thanks for paying attention to everything reported and omitted by ESPN.

    1. When presented with the tape of the practices back in October...Pernetti wanted to fire Rice but had to work through the Rutgers General Counsel' Office and Human Resources to do so since Rice was under contract.

    Pernetti followed to a T University policy on harassment.

    2. An Assistant General Counsel at Rutgers called in outside counsel for consultation.

    3. RU Human Resources, the General Counsel's Office and outside counsel ALL viewed the tape.

    4. The consensus of opinion RU Human Resources, the General Counsel's Office and outside counsel was that Rutgers HR policy did not enable termination for cause. Pernetti wanted authority to fire Rice, he didn't get it. Keep in mind that Rutgers is a public institution and there are certain "property rights" of employment (more or less statutory job entitlement benefits that a public employee "owns" their job which makes it difficult to fire employees) that prevented his firing without repercussion of a wrongful termination lawsuit.

    5. RU Human Resources and General Counsel's Office prevented Pernetti from firing Rice back in November.

    6. University President and Pernetti abided by direction given by RU General Counsels office. It is the main reason the President did not immediately view the DVD. He followed advice of Counsel.

    No AD, not even a University President will act contrary to advice of legal counsel.

    7. Pernetti falls as scapegoat in the aftermath. Most unfortunate since Pernetti was a staunch wrestling supporter.

    Oh, by the way, what you have not heard from ESPN....the Assistant General Counsel at Rutgers that misadvised Pernetti....he too got canned this week and well before Pernetti resigned...but you'll never hear about it from ESPN, he's not a story since it justifies Pernetti's actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post

    Im sure Goodale is a good guy, but he consistently does the least with the most. Administrators are clearly clueless and have horrific judgement.
    Okay, aside from Winston, who else has fallen by the wayside. Winston was the No 1 recruit coming out of HS primarily based on he was the first from NJ to go undefeated over 4 years. Winston was always muscle head stud, that's how he won in HS. He had limited technique. Have you ever seen Winston throw in a leg combination, never, not in 5 years.

    Who else has failed? Mason---injured at EWIAs last year, continued through NCAAs and earlier this year. Wasn't on the mat since December.

    Billy Smith ? Frosh...seeded No 1 at EIWAs...busted out. Busted out at NCAAs. Did you see his knee brace at EIWA and NCAA ? Doubt you realized he had MCL damage and couldn't put any weight on the leg.

    So how about Billy Ashnault in 2012....unseeded at NCAA, beat 3 seeded wrestlers before falling in the round of 12....wrestled way over his seed.

    Okay VAAS who have I missed that was supposed to tear the wrestling world apart?

    Zanetti ? Rinaldi ? Neither were expected to be NCAA champs.

    Who has Goodale failed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post

    Who has Goodale failed?
    Rutgers Wrestling?

    NCAA champs? Believe me, nobodys set the bar that high for anything Rutgers. So that's a fine strawman for Zanetti and Rinaldi.

    It's interesting you cite Winstons technical shortcomings when you consider his high school and college coach.

    A new year, a new year of excuses. Nobody gets better, and Ryou makes excuses.

    DJ Russo was a 4 seed and dnp'd . Mario Mason has steadily gotten worse the longer he's been at Rutgers. Looked his best early actually beating Molinaro the year Frank got 2nd, but was awful every year.

    Melde was the same guy for years, no improvement. Langel was a Sr. National champion in high school. Visicaro also a solid recruit.

    Hall and Rodrigues were smart enough to read the writing on the wall and headed elsewhere.

    You are a fan(short for fanatic), so you're not as willing to understand the reality of the team you root for because of your bias.

    He had the number 2 recruiting class a few years ago and didn't produce 1 AA.

    I didn't expect Rutgers to do anything, because I've paid attention to the past and to the patterns of these teams. So they completely met my expectations. Just because I expect a team to be bad doesn't mean I can't blame the coach for a portion.

    I am disappointed in myself for taking this much time to explain this to someone who genuinely seems satisfied with the current state of Rutgers wrestling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Thanks for paying attention to everything reported and omitted by ESPN.

    1. When presented with the tape of the practices back in October...Pernetti wanted to fire Rice but had to work through the Rutgers General Counsel' Office and Human Resources to do so since Rice was under contract.

    Pernetti followed to a T University policy on harassment.

    2. An Assistant General Counsel at Rutgers called in outside counsel for consultation.

    3. RU Human Resources, the General Counsel's Office and outside counsel ALL viewed the tape.

    4. The consensus of opinion RU Human Resources, the General Counsel's Office and outside counsel was that Rutgers HR policy did not enable termination for cause. Pernetti wanted authority to fire Rice, he didn't get it. Keep in mind that Rutgers is a public institution and there are certain "property rights" of employment (more or less statutory job entitlement benefits that a public employee "owns" their job which makes it difficult to fire employees) that prevented his firing without repercussion of a wrongful termination lawsuit.

    5. RU Human Resources and General Counsel's Office prevented Pernetti from firing Rice back in November.

    6. University President and Pernetti abided by direction given by RU General Counsels office. It is the main reason the President did not immediately view the DVD. He followed advice of Counsel.

    No AD, not even a University President will act contrary to advice of legal counsel.

    7. Pernetti falls as scapegoat in the aftermath. Most unfortunate since Pernetti was a staunch wrestling supporter.

    Oh, by the way, what you have not heard from ESPN....the Assistant General Counsel at Rutgers that misadvised Pernetti....he too got canned this week and well before Pernetti resigned...but you'll never hear about it from ESPN, he's not a story since it justifies Pernetti's actions.
    So most of what you're saying is completely contradicting Pernetti's own words, you do realize that right? He owned up to not firing him stating he wanted to "rehabilitate" and said he takes full responsibility for that decision. So either he's lying, or your story is wrong.
    Interesting that this "authority" to fire him was somehow granted to Rutgers after the press got ahold of the tape. Someone is very sleazy up there and this was a total fiasco and indicative of poor leadership.

    Are you actually attempting to tell me that Rutgers couldn't can him for calling the STUDENTS He's supposed to Coach(i.e. lead) homophobic slurs in addition to hitting, kicking, shoving and chucking balls at them point blank then I'm once again baffled that I took time to explain this to someone who drinks more all the Kool Aid that Rutgers can produce.

    So yeah, I'm calling 100% B.S. on the "property rights" preventing him from being fired..
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Okay VAAS
    LOL, why are you so angry, calling Vais an Ass? Do you work at Rutgers?

    The New York Times front pager today quotes: "The report also made clear that Mr. Pernetti, who has said publicly that he initially wanted to fire Mr. Rice, would have been well within his legal rights to do so. “We believe that A.D. Pernetti could reasonably determine that Coach Rice’s actions tended to embarrass and bring shame to Rutgers in violation of Coach Rice’s employment contract,” it said."

    I'm not a huge fan of the NY Times, but that's their story.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/sp...s.html?hp&_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    So most of what you're saying is completely contradicting Pernetti's own words, you do realize that right? He owned up to not firing him stating he wanted to "rehabilitate" and said he takes full responsibility for that decision. So either he's lying, or your story is wrong.
    Initially he wanted to fire Rice, but was blocked by the General Counsel and HR. He went along with rehabilitation. By the way, there was not a single recurrence with Rice after he attended behavior management.

    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Interesting that this "authority" to fire him was somehow granted to Rutgers after the press got ahold of the tape. Someone is very sleazy up there and this was a total fiasco and indicative of poor leadership.
    Pernetti didn't fire him the Pres gave the word.

    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Are you actually attempting to tell me that Rutgers couldn't can him for calling the STUDENTS He's supposed to Coach(i.e. lead) homophobic slurs in addition to hitting, kicking, shoving and chucking balls at them point blank then I'm once again baffled that I took time to explain this to someone who drinks more all the Kool Aid that Rutgers can produce.
    Yes and in this day and age, no AD fires someone prior to end of a contract without advice of legal counsel, internal or external. ....And no AD acts contradictory to the advice........sole reason the top attorney at Rutgers was fired.....before Pernetti resigned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop the Nuts View Post
    "The report also made clear that Mr. Pernetti, who has said publicly that he initially wanted to fire Mr. Rice, would have been well within his legal rights to do so. “We believe that A.D. Pernetti could reasonably determine that Coach Rice’s actions tended to embarrass and bring shame to Rutgers in violation of Coach Rice’s employment contract,” it said."
    He may have been within his legal right to do so as AD, but not within his University authority. That required approval of the General Counsel. And, it was General Counsel that was fired, not an Assistant Counsel in the office.
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