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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    All true, I was going to post something similar to this. My additional point would be that if I was wrestling someone who I considered to be dominant both from neutral and from the top then I'd take neutral against them. Getting ridden wears you out much more than sparring from neutral. I'd rather take my chances in space than get ridden like a show pony.
    I always felt it was easier to be on the bottom. I could usually move alittle bit and at least make the top man work and if you are not giving up back points, then the score is not getting worse. On the feet if you get taken down, you give up more points and then end up orn bottom anyways. Always seemed a little easier on the lungs to be on bottom as well... Certainly not a winning strategy, but in a dual meet were keeping the score close matters for the team it could be wise

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    The fact that you think there is an absolute right answer just goes to show how little you really know.
    Yes, as opposed to NEVER taking down against Dake after being ridden for an entire period. As we know, you'll NEVER ecscape!
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    It's also possible that Caldwell thought that Dake would go for the major decision and let him up on purpose thereby getting a free point. I agree that's not Dake's typical strategy against top ranked guys, but it is possible.


    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    I actually mean this as a real question, not to stir the pot:
    Zapp says that neutral is Dake's weakest position (nominally). I would have said his weakest is top (again, 'weakest being relative) because I would expect him to give up more escapes than takedowns. I would have originally said this because I can recall about 1 TD against him in the last year or so and I expect he has given up more escapes (intentional or not).
    Maybe a better way to look at it would be scoring differential by position. Is Dake's top points (NF+ride time) minus escapes total greater than his takedowns for minus takedowns against?

    Anyone have thoughts? I can't find season-level stats like these for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Cutter View Post
    It's also possible that Caldwell thought that Dake would go for the major decision and let him up on purpose thereby getting a free point. I agree that's not Dake's typical strategy against top ranked guys, but it is possible.
    It was interesting being at the match and I view it as a major knock against Dake and/or Koll. Cornell had the dual within reach against both Oklahoma State and Missouri if Dake (and Bosak for that matter) had been able to score bonus points in his match. He showed absolutely *zero* interest in doing that in either. I was left scratching my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Eisenhauer View Post
    It was interesting being at the match and I view it as a major knock against Dake and/or Koll. Cornell had the dual within reach against both Oklahoma State and Missouri if Dake (and Bosak for that matter) had been able to score bonus points in his match. He showed absolutely *zero* interest in doing that in either. I was left scratching my head.
    Sorry but they were wrestling quality opponents. Dake's concern is winning. That's how he wins, and that's how he operates. Caldwell is a top notch wrestler. Not bonusing him.

    Dake can't carry the whole team, and Bosak was wrestling a very dangerous wrestler in his first weekend back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Sorry but they were wrestling quality opponents. Dake's concern is winning. That's how he wins, and that's how he operates. Caldwell is a top notch wrestler. Not bonusing him.

    Dake can't carry the whole team, and Bosak was wrestling a very dangerous wrestler in his first weekend back.
    That's kind of my point. He was totally unconcerned with the team outcome and wholly focused on himself. I disagree that he couldn't bonus either Caldwell or the wrestler from Missouri. He wasn't asked to carry the whole team, just to get a point or two more - or at least try. It's not like he's carrying a career undefeated record around.

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    [QUOTE=Steve Eisenhauer;501100]..He wasn't asked to carry the whole team, just to get a point or two more - or at least try...QUOTE]

    I have to agree with this. Being up 4-0, why not try for the major? Maybe they thought the best chance for a major was turning him from top?
    Dual meets are exciting only if both teams are really tring to win and if every point in every match counts

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Sorry but they were wrestling quality opponents. Dake's concern is winning. That's how he wins, and that's how he operates. Caldwell is a top notch wrestler. Not bonusing him.

    Dake can't carry the whole team, and Bosak was wrestling a very dangerous wrestler in his first weekend back.
    One wrestler does not carry the whole team, but he can inspire it. Bonus points from one wrestler can mean the difference in winning and losing. That is why wrestlebacks are so much a part of Team Titles at NCAA's.

    If Dake is really 'that much better' he could help his team with some big wins and/or pins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzyzx View Post
    One wrestler does not carry the whole team, but he can inspire it. Bonus points from one wrestler can mean the difference in winning and losing. That is why wrestlebacks are so much a part of Team Titles at NCAA's.

    If Dake is really 'that much better' he could help his team with some big wins and/or pins.
    Are we really being critical of Dake for not bonusing Tyler Caldwell? Do you people watch wrestling?
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