I have watched and rewatch the matches with Ramos and Oliver and stand by my observation. Don't forget that LS scored a TD off Ramos shot followed by a 3pt NF with crab ride. Ramos also took at desperation shot at the end of regulation for another LS TD. I would hardly say that LS is always looking to score points ala Brent Metcalf. It just seems to me everytime I watch LS wrestle TOP guys he scores of counters more than creating his own shot. Again this is my observation and I just rewatched these matches tonight to make sure I wasn't imagining things.