Discuss Trade at the Fantasy League Schlottke within the Wrestling Talk Forums; You can summarize it like that or you can look at the body of work ...
You can summarize it like that or you can look at the body of work of the trades that I have made. I now have a legitimate conference winner at every single weight. Can't understand how you don't see that but I choose not to delve to deeply into matters so inconsequential.
I started the year with Gitomer and Triggas at 125, I now have Notte and Patterson.
I had Ness who is behind Gomez and I now have Grey who is clear favorite.
I had Rader, Washington, I now have Ciasulli after realizing these two were toast.
I had Stabile and Grajales, I now just have Stabile who is still an ACC favorite.
I have Cyler Sanderson.
I had Galante and now have Onufer and tried to get Epperly till you cried in your beer.
I had Miller and he went to 184 so I double dipped and grabbed Perry and Glasser.
I had Craig and Ward, now I have Pucillo and Craig.
I had Beatty, I still have Beatty.
I had Ellis and Zabriskie, I now have Steele, Birchler, & Everhart.
Based on the situations I have been dealt (Rader, Grajales, Miller, Ellis) tell me how you would have done things differently knowing it is my only shot to win a wild card come conference week?
You are pretty quick to judge but I think you ought to let things play themselves out and see what happens.
Last edited by goferphan; 12-23-2009 at 01:21 AM.
"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak."
1) Notte has had a good week, but I still do not think he is that great... Those were also both supplimental draft pickups
2) Ness has never lost to Gomez in folk and has won b10s before, Grey is a complete flake who has NEVER won EIWAs... Lets not forget the fact that Ness is more then twice the wrestler that Grey is and majored him the last time they wrestled.
3) You had two pretty marginal fantasy guys, and swaped them them for another marginal guy with an awful schedule. Both Rader and Washington had at least a comparable chance at being a conf champ. After wasting your time on Rader for the past two years I fail to understand why you would dump him after he finally sees the mat again. Sure he'll probably get hurt/suck, but at least he is wrestling.
4) Stabile has never won ACCs and wont this year either. He will lose to Kohler (who already beat him this year) or to Yates.
5) Cyler is good people.
6) Onuffer is better then Galante, except he is hurt.
7) Perry is straight up bad... and like 5th in the b10. Glasser will likely not last through the season and has never lived up to his potential due to injuries, this year will be no different. That pick was essentially dropping Brandon Rader to pick up the 174 pound version of Brandon Rader, except Rader was a two time AA, and I dont think Glasser has ever seen his conference tourney.
8) You traded Craig to someone else for a better 84, then traded that better 84 back for crap, then traded back for your original 84. You do have Pucillo though, so congrats on that. THat was probably the best trade you have made
9) Beatty is good
10) Heavy is obviously your strongest weight (partly due to your pickup of Everhart during the supplimental).
As for what I would do... I would never have drafted any of the four you listed in the first place, so I wouldn't have been in your boat. But if I had been... I would have A) Traded Ellis before the PSU open, in case he lost again (did that) B) Traded Miller to the guy who had bennet and suddenly needed an 84 (did that)
A few weight specific Ideas I might have tried:
125: I would have tried to grab Morrill from Trusty early on, I might have also taken a gander at one of Zapps 3x 125 pounders. 125 basically has a ton of different options
133: I would have charged some huge money for Ness, since he is one of the highest scoring bonusers in the league. definitely more then you got with your Ness + Craig swap (especially since you later threw away whatever you had gained there)
141: I would have tried to shell out for Nauman, who is an AA contender and better wrestler then Ciasulli, and also a dominating favorite to win the EWL. Instead of settling for a guy who is probably 2nd at best (behind Dake). I also would have considered the plethora of 141ers availible in the supplimental
149: nce I realized how deep 149 is in the ACC (after the Kohler loss) I probably would have tried to package stabile away as part of some kind of deal, using his pretty decent schedule as a selling point. There are a ton of different angles to take here. I might have tried to nab Terry from Trusty once LeValley emerged (although 149 in the B12 is deeper then people give credit for). Or I might have taken Cathell off of Jensens hands back when he was having weight issues
157: I would have done nothing, as Sanderson is a great fantasy pick and someone I wanted on my team from the pre-season. At least you have not traded him away yet
165: Onuffer was probably your best option, outside of taking Epperly off Trustys hands really cheap. You made the right moves here at least, even if you made a dumb draft pick initially
174: I would have gone with ANYONE in the league other then the two guys you chose to go with, both of whom are not good and have about a 0% chance of making the b10 finals. Maybe I would have tried to spring for Bennet and gotten the 174/184 combo for CMU (assuming I had given up on scoring regular season points, since Bennet/Miller are not big-time point scorers). Probably I would have held onto NAte Lee, who despite not being that great is a multiple time Pac 10 champ and should repeat this year. I might have also tried to spring for Heinrich/Letts
184: Miller probably would have to be traded at some point to address the rest of my needs. This is a weight that is a weight that could have gone a ton of different ways.. The most sensible would have been to make a trade with Stiffy for one of his 184 pounders, since I think both are Conf champs and strong AA contenders this year. Picking up Pucillo was a good move when you did it though, as I think he will end up having a good post-season.
197: I might have tried to use Beatty as trade bait, but most likely I would have stayed pat.
HVY: If I woke up and realized I drafted Ellis by accident I would have tried to trade him as soon as possible (which to your credit, you did). Z would also have gone off my team very quickly (if I was looking for conf champs lineup.) There are a bunch of medicore heavies like Brantley, Trice, Bordas, etc, that should win their conferences. It would have been very easy and convient to package a Z for Brantley type of trade into an upgrade at another weight. You are still wayyyy too heavy (teeheehee I made a pun) here to justify your holes at other weights
Your most recent trade is not bad by any means. It is the fact that you are buying back a guy you traded that shows how badly you have shot yourself in the foot...
Good luck getting Naumann as he and Mateater are good friends and ME has deemed him 'untradeable'-and I made a more than fair offer as he'll AA and probably pin his way through the EWL .
Good analysis LoSt for the most part. You forget a couple of things though. 1.) I enjoy playing with my roster, it makes it kind of fun. 2.) Many of those trades I DID in fact try to make. 3.) I'm not done making trades, so we'll see.
I would go through some of your trades but I just don't really care too. Takes time away from doing other things that I prefer to do. The trade you made with ISU will at the end hurt both of you. Those aren't good trades. To your credit, you can't predict injuries.
"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak."
If Burroughs had not blown out his knee that would have been an incredible trade..
You make a few valid points -Stiffy WILL NOT let go of either of his 84's -you tried ,I tried and Goph tried , How long did you keep Miller ? MOJO wanted Esco for Heinrich ,Dart said NO WAY to Letts -I tried both .
Sitting there critiquing trades is easy -making one in this league is hard -there should be some type of Criterion set in place -When J and Wiltz made their trade -it was not lambasted to Hell and gone -and it is worse than most -but they are grown men and can do what they want -but had I traded away a top ranked 149 for an UR 125 you'd have screamed bloody murder .
You and I have vast differences in opinion in what a fantasy league should be like -i play to win but not at a cutthroat level and if a guy helps me out i would not later say he was stupid for doing so-also, if a friend needs a favor , he need but ask -
I can't even imagine 'playing at a cutthroat level' in something as innocuous as a fantasy league. This is suppose (IMO) to be relaxing and a way to leave the cutthoat aspects of life behind for a while.
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I am a relaxed and nice person in real life. I play fantasy because it allows me to engage in cutthroat behavior that I can't normally go about in life.
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