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    We did not have a trade deadline last year Jensens. I think I made half my trades after 2/1
    I know we didn't. Its something new that I'm incorporating this year for the time being.

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    I misread your post, I thought you meant since the first draft of the rules overall.

    I dont particularly agree with the keeper system, but I can live with it.

    However an arbritrary trade deadline something I feel very strongly about and will fight against. I'll talk to some others in the league to see if I can get eight.
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    Which is why the Commish has to police and approve all trades, something I heard you did a poor job of last year.
    I'm sure you did.

    Last year our 2nd to last person made the playoffs and finished in the money, and the margin of difference between that and failing to qualify was the points he got from ONE trade. The wildcard adds a lot of spice.
    Anecdotal evidence isn't exactly compelling evidence.

    After conferences trades should obviously be limited to only those who made the playoffs.
    Why should this be any different than a normal sports/fantasy league? You have from November until the beginning of February to figure out the strengths and weaknesses of your team. The extra two weeks shouldn't make the difference.
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    What other fantasy sports play the same as wrestling? None that I know of. There are tons of things that other fantasy sports DO have that we dont. So what?

    Anecdotal evidence is pretty damn compelling if you ask me. THe first season I missed the playoffs by 8 points, a margin that I could have met if I'd made a smart trade at the time.

    Last year Wiltz missed the playoffs by two, something he easily could have made up through a pre-conference trade.

    We've only had two seasons so far and in both there has been a lot of competition to make the playoffs and there have been several situations where February trades could/have made a big difference
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    Februrary trades could ALWAYS make a difference. It could be good or bad. The point is, a trade deadline stops people from dumping players if they appear unlikely to make the playoffs. Wiltz missed by two, and a trade might have made up for it...or it might have ended up \with him missing by 20. There's no definitive way to know.

    There's no information that the extra time will bring you. You should know the weaknesses and strengths of your team. The extra time only encourages shady behavior.

    I'm sure anecdotal is very compelling to you. You're the one using it.
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    Februrary trades could ALWAYS make a difference. It could be good or bad. The point is, a trade deadline stops people from dumping players if they appear unlikely to make the playoffs. Wiltz missed by two, and a trade might have made up for it...or it might have ended up \with him missing by 20. There's no definitive way to know.

    This does absolutely nothing to disprove my argument. Of course you never know if a trade is a good one or not until after the fact. So what? Thats true of any trade, any bet, or any draft. Thats part of the strategy behind doing well in a fantasy league. Making the right calls, taking the right risks. Thats what makes it FUN.


    There's no information that the extra time will bring you. You should know the weaknesses and strengths of your team. The extra time only encourages shady behavior


    This is one of the stupider things I've ever seen you post. Extra time will almost ALWAYS give you more information. You do realize that 2/1 is more then a month before the start of the conference tournaments right? In fact there is still 1/3+ of the dual meet season left to go entering February and its more then a quarter of the overall season.

    What if my stud gets hurt in February and suddenly I need a replacement or a backup? What if my guys tanks in conference duals and I realize I need someone stronger at his weight? What if one of my two guys at a weight establishes himself as the better one and I want to trade the other one away since he won't have a spot in my lineup? What if I'm in 4th place but I slip down to 6th in the three or four weeks of wrestling leading up to March? Wrestling is an unpredictable sport and there is no way to know for sure how the rest of the season will play out from 2/1. Come the first two weeks of March you might still not know the whole story on some of your guys, but you'll sure as hell have a better idea then you do on the first of Feb.


    Let me put it this way:

    We haven't had any problems at all with people dumping guys before the playoffs. Not once that I can think of. So why are we making a restrictive rule for something that isn't a problem? If Jensens has to start vetoing trades because people are abusing the rules then yeah, I'd agree that a trade deadline is a good idea. But he hasn't yet, and I dont think he'll have to.

    We have largely the same core player base this year as we did when we started, and we are for the most part honest and trustworthy people. So unless YOU or your two fellow newcomers are planning to abuse the system I fail to see the problem.
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    THat's the entire point of a deadline. The team is not constantly in flux. That's the reason there is a trade deadline in every league. If we're going to be getting into personal insults. A guy could get hurt between conference tourney and NCAA's. It's stupid. How do I know that guys are trading in good faith. If two guys make a trade right before NCAA's, how am I to know that you haven't made an agreement to split the money, etc. The entire point of the trade deadline is to discourage shady behavior.

    Jensen created the league. Jensen created the rule. Do you feel like he's putting a trade deadline in to punish you or something? Already we've had two guys speak out in favor of the deadline (Wiltz and I) and only your dumb ass sputtering on and on in outrage.

    Bottom line: Allowing trades to go on indefinitely only encourages bad behavior. Just because nobody has abused the system yet doesn't mean that you should just leave the gaping loophole there until it does.

    If I lived in a new society, and we hadn't yet made a rule against murder, should I just not suggest it because nobody had killed anyone yet? Yeesh.
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    A guy could get hurt between conference tourney and NCAA's.

    I'm all for allowing trades between teams in the playoffs. If you make the cut you should be able to trade going up to ncaas. I believe that was the rule we had last year.

    It's stupid. How do I know that guys are trading in good faith. If two guys make a trade right before NCAA's, how am I to know that you haven't made an agreement to split the money, etc.

    Because we are good people here, and we dont do stuff like that. Maybe over in your league that kind of shennanigans went on, but that simply doesn't happen here.

    If I lived in a new society, and we hadn't yet made a rule against murder, should I just not suggest it because nobody had killed anyone yet? Yeesh.


    This is a very stupid analogy. Firstly you are comparing a felony with cheating at a fantasy wrestling league. Secondly there is no downside to making a law against murder, while restricting trades has negative implications.

    Finally, we already have the power to fight any trade abuse in the form of Shane Jensens. As the commish he has the right to deny any trades he suspects of being underhanded or unfair. As far as I can remember he hasn't had to use that power once in the two years that the rest of us have been playing, because in this league people are fair and honest in their deals.

    If it got to the point where we had reason to suspect collusion or there were trades being denied as being unfair, then yes, I would support some kind of a trade deadline. But as of right now I see no reason to restrict trading in such a gratuitous and unnecessary fashion for a problem that exists only in your imagination.

    Since you are simply rehashing the same argument over and over and aren't even being civil while doing it, I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any further. Anyone else is free to chime in.
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    You are the one who dropped civility, son, so you can drop the holier than thou attitude. And of course murder was an extreme example. The point is that, just because nobody has done something yet doesn't mean there shouldn't be a rule in place against it. It's called a "preventative measure".
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