How much better is my team than yours?

**Zapp Brannigan** · 01-27-2009 04:56 PM

Using viritas' "power rankings" which average together several rankings:

125 Brandon Precin # 3
133 Dan Dennis # 2
141 Alex Tsirtsis # 2
149 Lance Palmer # 4
157 Mike Chandler # 8
165 Ryan Morningstar # 2
FLEX Jon Reader # 5
174 Jay Borschel # 4
184 David Craig # 9
197 Tyrel Todd # 6
HWT Konrad Dudziak # 5

BENCH:
125 Obe Blanc # 11
157 Jason Welch # 16
184 Joe LeBlanc # 9
197 Eric Lapotsky # 11

Answer: A lot.

**Gold** · 01-27-2009 05:17 PM

125 (9) Joey Fio Oklahoma
133 (1) Reece Humphrey Ohio State
141 (8) J Jaggers Ohio State University
149 (1) Brent Metcalf Iowa
157 (18) Jason Johnstone Ohio State
165 (3) Colt Sponseller THE Ohio State University
174 (7) Mike Miller Central Michigan
184 (6) Doug Umbehauer Rider
197 (5) Brent Chriswell Boise State
285 (3) Jermail Porter Kent State

BENCH:
125 (23) Nikko Triggas Ohio State
141 (16) Keith Sulzer Northwestern
174 (11) Kurt Brenner WVU
184 (11) Chris Honeycutt Edinboro
197 (7) Brandon Halsey UC-Bakersfield

**Gold** · 01-27-2009 05:33 PM

125 Precin dec. Fio (0-3)
133 Humphrey dec. Dennis (3-3)
141 Tsirtsis dec. Jaggers (3-6)
149 Metcalf dec. Palmer (6-6)
157 Chandler dec. Johnstone (6-9)
165 M* dec. Sponseller (6-12)
174 Miller dec. Borschel (9-12)
184 Umbehauer dec. Craig (12-12)
197 Chriswell dec. Todd (15-12)
285 Porter dec. Dudziak (18-12)

NOTES:
-133 and 165 are really both toss ups, so I went with the higher ranked.
-Who knows if Jaggers would beat Tsirtsis or not. I'm betting that he wouldn't, but he's still the defending champ...
-Yes, I know Borschell is ranked higher than Miller. I also would probably give him the edge if they wrestled again, but Miller won the last time the wrestled, and I knew it would irritate Zapp, so I gave Miller the victory

. Even if Borschell wins that match it's still a 5/5 split, so I don't know that I'd say your team is THAT much better than mine...

**Gold** · 01-27-2009 05:34 PM

That would actually be a pretty fun dual to watch...

I just checked and Todd is 1-1 against ranked opponents at 197. I'm surprised they keep him ranked so high after such little action and such an injury.

**Zapp Brannigan** · 01-27-2009 05:49 PM

Craig has already wrestled Umbehauer this year. Craig DEC Umbehauer 8-6. That makes it a 15-15 tie giving you 2 out of 3 toss ups.

Also, Todd has more matches then Chriswell, so I'm not sure about your rankings complaint there. You'll need to win 2 out of 3 toss-ups to TIE my team. A possibility, of course, but I think you'll see Dennis is a bad match up for Mr. Humphrey. Hump struggles with the brawlers (re: Baker). Either way, you'll be

**Gold** · 01-27-2009 06:56 PM

Re 184: Touche. I didn't realize they had wrestled.

Hump definitely had trouble with Baker, and I think 133 is a razor sharp matchup. I also think the same about 165. If I had to bet on the 2, I would probably take Dennis at 133 and Sponseller at 165--but I went with rankings to stir up less controversy. Mind you, if I had gone with Intermat as has been used for these comparisons in the past, I would have been favored in both of those bouts.

What 3 tossups are you talking about? 184 is as much of a tossup as 174--I am not giving you Craig over Umbehauer as a sure thing. Yes, Craig beat Umbehauer in head to head, but Umbehauer has not lost to David Thompson and Larry Wilbanks. So that's 4 tossups--I would have to win 2 to tie your team, and you would have to win 2 to tie mine. Sounds pretty even to me.

I think you forgot to finish your post...

**Zapp Brannigan** · 01-27-2009 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Gold

Re 184: Touche. I didn't realize they had wrestled.

Hump definitely had trouble with Baker, and I think 133 is a razor sharp matchup. I also think the same about 165. If I had to bet on the 2, I would probably take Dennis at 133 and Sponseller at 165--but I went with rankings to stir up less controversy. Mind you, if I had gone with Intermat as has been used for these comparisons in the past, I would have been favored in both of those bouts.

What 3 tossups are you talking about? 184 is as much of a tossup as 174--I am not giving you Craig over Umbehauer as a sure thing. Yes, Craig beat Umbehauer in head to head, but Umbehauer has not lost to David Thompson and Larry Wilbanks. So that's 4 tossups--I would have to win 2 to tie your team, and you would have to win 2 to tie mine. Sounds pretty even to me.

I think you forgot to finish your post...

Todd-Chriswell is another toss up that I didn't count in my original post. So, if we include 184, You'd have to win 3 of 5.

**LoSt** · 01-27-2009 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

Using viritas' "power rankings" which average together several rankings:

125 Brandon Precin # 3
133 Dan Dennis # 2
141 Alex Tsirtsis # 2
149 Lance Palmer # 4
157 Mike Chandler # 8
165 Ryan Morningstar # 2
FLEX Jon Reader # 5
174 Jay Borschel # 4
184 David Craig # 9
197 Tyrel Todd # 6
HWT Konrad Dudziak # 5

BENCH:
125 Obe Blanc # 11
157 Jason Welch # 16
184 Joe LeBlanc # 9
197 Eric Lapotsky # 11

Answer: A lot.

125: Precin Mdec Mustari 0-3
133: Dennis dec hochstrasser 0-6
141: Tshirts dec Gallikc 0-9 (I would put money on gallick)
149: Caldwell WBF Palmer 6-9
157: Gillespie dec Chandler 9-9
165: Fay dec M* 12-9
174: Miller dec Borschel 15-9
184: Patterson WBF Craig 21-9
197: Tie
HVY: Tie

Consistent with the rules I set up for fantasy duals
I think Halsey could beat todd at this point also, so I have the edge at 197 even though we both have Todd.

**Zapp Brannigan** · 01-27-2009 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by LoSt

125: Precin Mdec Mustari 0-3
133: Dennis dec hochstrasser 0-6
141: Tshirts dec Gallikc 0-9 (I would put money on gallick)
149: Caldwell WBF Palmer 6-9
157: Gillespie dec Chandler 9-9
165: Fay dec M* 12-9
174: Miller dec Borschel 15-9
184: Patterson WBF Craig 21-9
197: Tie
HVY: Tie

Consistent with the rules I set up for fantasy duals
I think Halsey could beat todd at this point also, so I have the edge at 197 even though we both have Todd.

You really stretch credulity to make yourself the winner.

**tigerfan** · 01-27-2009 07:47 PM

Donahoe over Precin 3-0
Bell over Dennis 6-0 (Until Dennis beats Bell, rankings don't matter)
Tsirtsis over Drouin 6-3
Palmer over Ruschell 6-6
Gillespie over Chandler 9-6
M* over Marable 9-9 (I'd take Marable in this rematch, though)
Borschel over Jordan 9-12 (Jordan's been impressive since Midlands, Borschel not so much
Caputo over Craig 12-12
Brester over Todd 15-12
Ellis over Dudziak 18-12

Answer: not at all better than mine.

**Zapp Brannigan** · 01-27-2009 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by tigerfan

Donahoe over Precin 3-0
Bell over Dennis 6-0 (Until Dennis beats Bell, rankings don't matter)
Tsirtsis over Drouin 6-3
Palmer over Ruschell 6-6
Gillespie over Chandler 9-6
M* over Marable 9-9 (I'd take Marable in this rematch, though)
Borschel over Jordan 9-12 (Jordan's been impressive since Midlands, Borschel not so much
Caputo over Craig 12-12
Brester over Todd 15-12
Ellis over Dudziak 18-12

Answer: not at all better than mine.

Craig beat Caputo this past weekend, my friend. Sowwy.

**Gold** · 01-27-2009 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

Todd-Chriswell is another toss up that I didn't count in my original post. So, if we include 184, You'd have to win 3 of 5.

I guess Todd-Chriswell is a legit toss up. I would definitely pick Chriswell, though. Chriswell has majored Herbst and beaten Halsey, while Todd's only notable victory is against Anderson. Todd also lost to Simaz. The biggest reason I would pick Chriswell, though, is that Todd still has yet to show that he is ready to wrestle after his injury.

**Zapp Brannigan** · 01-27-2009 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Gold

I guess Todd-Chriswell is a legit toss up. I would definitely pick Chriswell, though. Chriswell has majored Herbst and beaten Halsey, while Todd's only notable victory is against Anderson. Todd also lost to Simaz. The biggest reason I would pick Chriswell, though, is that Todd still has yet to show that he is ready to wrestle after his injury.

Since he came back, in 7 matches he is 6-1 with 3 pins, 1 major, a 6- shutout of Anderson, and a DQ win where he beat on the kid so badly the ref stalled the other kid out. Looking good to me, partner.