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    Default Re: Rules 2011-2012: Draft

    What about giving a certain number of points for the finals of a non-scored tournament. what tournaments are scored could stay or change, but at least if your guy has a weak tourney he can get you 3-6 pts.

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    No.
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    Ok, I've decided that we basically aren't going to change anything from last year. Is it ideal? No. But it is sufficient, and everyone knows the scored events up front. I have quoted tigerfan's post because it highlights the key points that come into my mind about the matter:

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan View Post
    I'm in agreement with D1 only should score, regardless of dual or tourney. More work for scorekeepers, yes. Less chance that someone who loads their team with lopsided schedules makes the playoffs, then craps out.

    Either that, or count every match wrestled, regardless of competition. Right now we arbitrarily count some non-D1 matches, yet don't count some legit D1 matches. I say we fix it in one direction or the other, but it certainly needs fixing.
    The best solution I can think of is to count only D1 matches. However, that makes it the scoring duties much more difficult, and opens up a lot of room to make errors. If it were a big improvement, that would be fine, but I really don't think it would be much of an improvement. In reality, there's no way we can make all the schedules equal. Wrestling schedules are all over the board in terms of quality and quantity of competition. It's why we couldn't set up a league to have head-to-head scoring like fantasy football.

    If we score every match, that means a LOT of tournaments to track down, and most of them would be total garbage. The Warren Williamson/Daktronics Open? The Flash Flanigan Open? The "Shorty" Hitchcock Open? The Ashland Open? The Cleveland State Open? East Stroudsburg? I could list a bunch more sub-D1 tourneys that D1 teams go to, but I won't.

    Sorry about this; I know the solution isn't perfect, but I really don't think it will end up making a huge difference if we change it or not.


    While I'm flaring up emotions, let me say that I'm strongly considering dropping the Kaufman-Brand from the list of scored tourneys. It was trash last year, and looks to be the same this year. I will wait until some more schedules come out to confirm this. Any (good) recommendations for something to take its place?
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    Default Re: Rules 2011-2012: Draft

    Now, I'm still open to some sort of rule like I described in Item #2 below:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gold View Post
    I figure it will be good if we discuss these during the season as they come up.

    A few I remember off the top of my head:

    1) Draft time rule modifications

    2) Scored tourneys: look at new ways to decide which are scored. Possibly some stipulation that says "if X number of ranked teams are present, the tourney will be scored even if it's not listed as scored.." Or "If Y number of ranked wrestlers are in any given bracket, that weight will be scored even if it's not listed as scored."

    3) Adding points for finishing 3rd in bonus tourneys. Often the only difference between 2nd and 3rd is when you lost to the champion.

    4) Awarding the points if wrestlers wrestle up a weight. I'm not crazy about this personally, but a couple people have brought it up so it's worth thinking about.

    5) Clarify that trade deadline is eastern time. Possibly move it, but remember that we made it so early to curb dumping.


    I'm also still open to something like thaxton proposed earlier, but I would probably limit it at 3 points for a champion. The tourneys are still garbage, I might be ok rewarding 4 wins in a garbage tournament with 3 points. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

    Quote Originally Posted by thaxton View Post
    What about giving a certain number of points for the finals of a non-scored tournament. what tournaments are scored could stay or change, but at least if your guy has a weak tourney he can get you 3-6 pts.
    Last edited by Gold; 09-06-2011 at 07:44 PM.


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    Default Re: Rules 2011-2012: Draft

    Other things left to address:

    1) The "Consolation Bracket" motivation. Last place loses his sig to the winner of all the teams that didn't make the playoffs, etc.

    2) Trading Add/Drops.

    3) An outside commissioner to rule on trades, or the commissioner's trades.

    4) Awarding the points if wrestlers wrestle up a weight. I'm still not crazy about this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold View Post
    Other things left to address:

    1) The "Consolation Bracket" motivation. Last place loses his sig to the winner of all the teams that didn't make the playoffs, etc.

    2) Trading Add/Drops.

    3) An outside commissioner to rule on trades, or the commissioner's trades.

    4) Awarding the points if wrestlers wrestle up a weight. I'm still not crazy about this.
    1. Sounds good.
    2. Why not?
    3. Seems logicial.
    4. The guy on your team wrestled, I think this should be allowed to an extent. If it happens two weeks in a row or a certain amount of times it shouldn't count, but an isolated event could still get you some points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold View Post
    Now, I'm still open to some sort of rule like I described in Item #2 below:





    I'm also still open to something like thaxton proposed earlier, but I would probably limit it at 3 points for a champion. The tourneys are still garbage, I might be ok rewarding 4 wins in a garbage tournament with 3 points. Anyone else have thoughts on this?
    I'm open to number 1, 2, 4 and 5. All good ideas, also Thaxtons idea works for me.
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    I still think that if the tourney is on the schedule it should be scored. I know PSU sends guys to all sorts of tourneys like the East Stroudsburg & Mat town BUT they are NOT on the scheduled hence they would NEVER be scored.

    While some teams schedule lots of D2 & D3 foes to wrestle at their quads or "duals" & since it is a dual it gets scored but it is really not different then some of the tourneys D1 schools have on their schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    I still think that if the tourney is on the schedule it should be scored. I know PSU sends guys to all sorts of tourneys like the East Stroudsburg & Mat town BUT they are NOT on the scheduled hence they would NEVER be scored.

    While some teams schedule lots of D2 & D3 foes to wrestle at their quads or "duals" & since it is a dual it gets scored but it is really not different then some of the tourneys D1 schools have on their schedule.
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