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    And I love that a tournament where Navy has 70% of the champs is a bolded point for you as to how tough the tournament is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    So you would want every match of those tournaments to be scored?
    Re-read what I said: DI matches only.

    Btw I did see that Maryland listed the East Stroudsburg Open & Wilkes Open on their schedules, (tourneys that usually have only DI RS & DII & DIII guys at them) HOWEVER when I looked at the brackets there were virtually NO 1st string guys, (meaning no kids that anyone would have on their fantasy team).

    So personally I think that scoring just the stuff that is on the schedule vs DI competition is the way to go. I think that this eliminates all the PADDING. Then drafting a good kid who wrestles shitty competition is less of an option.

    This way also if there is a garbage tourney on the schedule then if a guy on your team doesn't wrestle a DI kid until the semis or finals then those other matches don't get scored. This would put more emphasis on the Midlands & Scuffle as well. Those 2 tournament might be the only ones who would have the DI ONLY rule waived as the thinking would be if you are a DII or DIII kid entering in there you must be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    And I love that a tournament where Navy has 70% of the champs is a bolded point for you as to how tough the tournament is.
    Wow you completely missed my point & just proved it with that comment.

    I bolded it to show HOW WEAK it is. You called the NYS & AAC GARBAGE. Navy Classic & Keystone Classic are being scored but look at the results. If the NYS & AAC are garbage then so are the other tourneys we are already scoring. Penn had 5 champs over Northwestern & American? How much of a challenge was that tournament? The KBO & EMO brackets are pretty weak as well.

    Vais you are so concentrated on being right on this point you obviously are NOT hearing a single word I am saying. You need to look at the tournaments & evaluate the data don't just give an opinion not based upon facts.

    Score all the tourneys on the schedule vs DI opp only. This strips away all the lesser competition point padding. It also doesn't penalize teams who actually might have one or two DI opponents one week but don't get points because we don't score the tourney.

    Missouri has the Central Missouri Open on their schedule. They had 10 champs. I don't think there was a single DI opp in it for them. Hence NO POINTS. But let's say next year Oklahoma State sends team there but it is mostly scrubs except for one starter like Morrison. Well if you have him or Waters on your team you would normally miss out on a good match but now you get some points. You don't get the 3 tech falls on the way tot he finals but you at least get something for a win against a tough opponent.

    Honestly all I am trying to do is make the league better. It is all just my opinion but it just makes sense to me that's all.

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    I'm in agreement with D1 only should score, regardless of dual or tourney. More work for scorekeepers, yes. Less chance that someone who loads their team with lopsided schedules makes the playoffs, then craps out.

    Either that, or count every match wrestled, regardless of competition. Right now we arbitrarily count some non-D1 matches, yet don't count some legit D1 matches. I say we fix it in one direction or the other, but it certainly needs fixing.

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    Thats why I said DI only that are on the schedule. It wouldn't be more work it would LESS as they could scan the brackets & see that the first few matches were against DIII guys & then skip it.

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    What about d1 2nd or 3rd stringers or RS guys who go to d1 schools?
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    I see your point - how fine can we split this hair? That's why I'm ok with counting every match wrestled. If you beat Todd Meneely at K-B, you want it to count. D1 starters, non-starters, redshirts, etc. is a non-issue because those labels are fluid and can change from week to week. If your opponent wrestles for a D1 school, whether competing unattached or not, that would be a D1 match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan View Post
    I see your point - how fine can we split this hair? That's why I'm ok with counting every match wrestled. If you beat Todd Meneely at K-B, you want it to count. D1 starters, non-starters, redshirts, etc. is a non-issue because those labels are fluid and can change from week to week. If your opponent wrestles for a D1 school, whether competing unattached or not, that would be a D1 match.
    Yes.
    Trying to figure who is 1st string or not wouldn't make any sense. All DI matches. And yes there are going to be the occasional DII/DIII/NAIA guys good enough to be DI or better then a DI JV guy but again thats splitting hairs ridiculously.

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    FWIW, there will be no more Mizzou Open in the foreseable future.

    As to scoring, it seems as if there are two camps - one thinks scheduling should be important and takes skill, the other thinks picking lopsided schedules is detrimental to the quality of the league. No matter where you fall on that issue, perhaps we could compromise and score only the Midlands, SS, and Vegas. All other tournaments are subjective as to the quality. I'd prefer we score every match wrestled, which would also have an element of favorable scheduling to it, but would remove the arbitrary nature that currently determines scoring.

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