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Discuss Rule Modifications for 2010-2011 at the Fantasy League Gold within the Wrestling Talk Forums; I dont really like your idea at all. So if Mcd gets 6th this year ...
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    I dont really like your idea at all. So if Mcd gets 6th this year I could pick him as my 6th round draft pick when clearly he'd go in the first 2 rounds? If(as you believe will happen) Lewnes gets 2nd to borshel I could keep him as my first round pick when clearly he'd be a top 3 overall pick next year? It's simply not a way to do things.

    The best way to do keepers is this. You can pick one guy to "keep" if you want to. That is your first round pick. If you don't want to keep anyone you pick in your regular spot and that is all.
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    [QUOTE=vaisforlovers;306695]I dont really like your idea at all. So if Mcd gets 6th this year I could pick him as my 6th round draft pick when clearly he'd go in the first 2 rounds? If(as you believe will happen) Lewnes gets 2nd to borshel I could keep him as my first round pick when clearly he'd be a top 3 overall pick next year? It's simply not a way to do things.

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    I didnt say it was a perfect way to do things. I personally think we should just start the keeper part at next years draft.

    How it could work is:

    Nobody would get to keep anyone picked in the first two rounds. This would keep the "best" wrestlers in the draft for the next season if they do not graduate.

    Whatever round you drafted your "keeper" in you would have to give up your pick in the round two before that one the next season. For example: If I picked Montell Marion in the fourth round next year and I wanted to keep him for the next season, I would have to give up my second round pick in the next years draft. Giving up a pick two rounds ahead makes people really think about the person they want to keep. (Maybe we only do a one round difference. We'd have to talk about it.) It also makes people look for "sleepers" late in the draft in order to keep that person for the next season.

    I don't like VA's idea of keeping someone automatically gives up your first round pick the next year. This would eliminate drafing a middle of the road wrestler, late, in the hopes of keeping him in a shallow weight the next year. Say I drafted Boaz Beard of Iowa State, because I think he has alot of potential, in round 12 next year because 197 looks to be shallow the year after (hypothetically). I would not want to give up my first round pick to keep Beard after I drafted him in the 12 round, although I would be okay giving up my 10th round pick to keep him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold View Post
    They get most of them, but not all.
    Every tourney these days has a website. I even found one for the Wilkes Open this year for chrissakes! A little homework can dig them all out. But of course I guess it just depends if you want to work that hard @ it. I can understand being a full time student limits your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1;306704
    I didnt say it was a perfect way to do things. I personally think we should just start the keeper part at next years draft.

    How it [B
    could[/B] work is:

    Nobody would get to keep anyone picked in the first two rounds. This would keep the "best" wrestlers in the draft for the next season if they do not graduate.

    Whatever round you drafted your "keeper" in you would have to give up your pick in the round two before that one the next season. For example: If I picked Montell Marion in the fourth round next year and I wanted to keep him for the next season, I would have to give up my second round pick in the next years draft. Giving up a pick two rounds ahead makes people really think about the person they want to keep. (Maybe we only do a one round difference. We'd have to talk about it.) It also makes people look for "sleepers" late in the draft in order to keep that person for the next season.

    I don't like VA's idea of keeping someone automatically gives up your first round pick the next year. This would eliminate drafing a middle of the road wrestler, late, in the hopes of keeping him in a shallow weight the next year. Say I drafted Boaz Beard of Iowa State, because I think he has alot of potential, in round 12 next year because 197 looks to be shallow the year after (hypothetically). I would not want to give up my first round pick to keep Beard after I drafted him in the 12 round, although I would be okay giving up my 10th round pick to keep him.
    i dont mean to be rude, but this is just horrible. Why am i the only one saying anything?

    You wouldnt be giving up your first round pick, you would be using your first round pick on someone you want. You would leave the first round with a wrestler, im pretty sure that was made clear. Or you don't have to keep anyone at all.

    For example:
    McD who was probably not even drafted(but let's say for the sake of the argument he was picked in the 12th) would be able to be used as a 12th round pick simply because that's the round you picked him in last year?

    I say we dont' have a keeper rule at all if it will be anything close to Herkeys idea.

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    If McD was picked in the 12 round you would be rewarded for taking a chance on him by only having to give up your 10th round pick the next year. And then if you wanted to keep him again you would only have to give up your 8th round pick.

    I'm guessing that nobody is saying anything because they are maybe in or know of fantasy football leagues that run this way. It is a good system. In keeper leagues there are always players that get taken late because they have potential. This rewards you for taking a risk on him and hoping he pans out.

    Having to give up your #1 pick just because you kept a guy is a dumb way to do it. What if, like I said before, you wanted to keep a guy that isnt worthy of being a 1st rounder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    McD who was probably not even drafted(but let's say for the sake of the argument he was picked in the 12th) would be able to be used as a 12th round pick simply because that's the round you picked him in last year?

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    No, I never said anything close to this. Using your example, you would have to give up a 10th round pick since McD was picked in the 12 round. It would reward whomever picked him for taking a chance on McD and drafting him late. McD was sort of a sleeper and he panned out.

    I don't think you should just automatically have to use your first pick on your keeper. Thats a very lazy way to run the keeper part of any league.
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    You shouldn't be able to keep someone(1st-2nd round pick) very good with a late round pick. I think this REALLY puts newcomers in a BAD spot.
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    Still think newbies should get first shot as long as they have not competed in another league before.

    Then I like the idea of doing the reverse order ala Pro sports draft: worse gets first, champs get last.

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    Here is my vision.

    Randomly drawn order that snakes around(1st guy has first pick and last pick in 2nd round, etc.)

    If you played in the league last year and want to keep somebody, you may use your first round pick on this person(If you had Howe, Lewnes, Mcd, etc thatd be a smart move) if you didnt really want to keep those people and preferred picking all new ones that would be fine.

    Herkey mentioned wanting to be rewarded for taking chances on sleepers. My opinion is that you were rewarded when a 13th round pick scored you 130 points, etc, and you shouldnt get someone who is that good for a song just because you took a chance.

    If it's someone you really want, then you may draft them in an appropriate round, but getting to keep someone very good for a 10th round pick is simply unfair to the newcomers.

    Scenario: New guy is debating who to take in the 10th round: Desi Green or Torsten Gillespie. Herkey with his 10th round pick takes Matt Mcdonough. Not quite fair imo.

    You will be rewarded this year for taking chances on sleepers by drafting sleepers who score points. This seems like the most fair way to do a keeper rule. I would be in favor of listening to some other ideas that I may not know about but, I really can't imagine a world where I agree w/ herkeys idea.
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