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    Almost everyone wants to change the date of the NCAA championships, but it doesn't get done. How long have we been talking about this?

    Spreading out National Duals over time and distance only dilutes it's specialness. The casual fan won't come to these individual meets, only the last few at the end for the best teams. This won't build wrestling's fan base, just add another dual or two to a team's season. We need better events, not more little ones that the masses will keep ignoring. National Duals is one of the few times that 20,000 knowledgeable fans will see wrestlers from a school like Wyoming or West Virginia wrestle as a team. How cool is that?

    Increasing the minimum number of sports only consolidates Div. 1 sports at the very biggest schools. I like seeing schools like Edinboro and UNI in Division I wrestling. Will they be there if they must have more sports to qualify? If you just want to do an end-run around Title IX, then fix the implementation of Title IX so it doesn't suck so badly.

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    Just a small suggestion... the NCAA should make it easier for wrestlers to move up and down weight classes; also, they should allow wrestlers who aren't undefeated to remain in contention for major awards like the Hodge trophy. Then encourage the teams to arrange best-on-best match-ups. Who wouldn't like to see Metcalf wrestle Burroughs, Herbert wrestle Varner and so on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiltz View Post
    Financially it makes more sense to have the duals in one location. What you are proposing is nice but, with todays limited wrestling budgets not a great idea.

    Schools are already cutting back travel budgets for athletic teams.
    no financially it doesn't make sense to have the duals in one spot. Right now the duals do not make money. Follow my idea and the duals could make a lot of money and travel and everything else could be reimbursed.

    You take the top 8 teams from the ncaa championships. you give them two weeks off to rest. Then on Friday you hold 4 duals at the higher seeds home arena. This year that would have been Iowa, ohio state, Ia State and Neb.
    you should be able to average 7,000 fans for each of those duals for a total of 28,000 fans. The semis say another 7,000 for 14,000 more. And then the finals say 14,000. That would be 56,000 fans for the duals at an average ticket price of $10 wrestling could make more that half a million dollars. That would cover travel and help the NWCA promote the sport of wrestling and make wrestling one of the big time other sports. College athletics is about money and until wrestling figures that out it is going to continue to be killed by apathetic AD's and presidents.

    Would this work. i think so. But it is not like we have anything to lose. Right now inaction is costing wrestling more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grapplefan View Post
    If you just want to do an end-run around Title IX, then fix the implementation of Title IX so it doesn't suck so badly.
    When the OCR approved a method to determine campus interest, which the WSF and NWLC claimed was/is one of the three prongs of compliance, the same WSF and NWLC was banging on their Congressperson's doors telling them to overturn it. To date not school has used it, though the gender quota advocates still claim that there are three prongs for compliance.

    When Debbie Yow and others stuck their necks out to serve on the Commission years ago all the suggestions for some infusion of sanity in the compliance measures were sabatoged at the 11th hour by Donna DeVerona and Julie Foudy, who were the puppets of the WSF.

    Unless people let their members of Congress know that they don't support strict gender quotas, nothing will change. And there are those the expended political capitol on the issue, only to be left holding the bag when they received no support from groups like the wrestling community.

    So here we are, almost 20 years later, singing the same songs of woe....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WrestlingTerp View Post
    When the OCR approved a method to determine campus interest, which the WSF and NWLC claimed was/is one of the three prongs of compliance, the same WSF and NWLC was banging on their Congressperson's doors telling them to overturn it. To date not school has used it, though the gender quota advocates still claim that there are three prongs for compliance.

    When Debbie Yow and others stuck their necks out to serve on the Commission years ago all the suggestions for some infusion of sanity in the compliance measures were sabatoged at the 11th hour by Donna DeVerona and Julie Foudy, who were the puppets of the WSF.

    Unless people let their members of Congress know that they don't support strict gender quotas, nothing will change. And there are those the expended political capitol on the issue, only to be left holding the bag when they received no support from groups like the wrestling community.

    So here we are, almost 20 years later, singing the same songs of woe....
    Terp I have written letters, called,emailed. The most common response that I get from senators and congressmen is that women vote too and there is no way they are going to do anything to change title IX. Why do you think the ncaa immediately came out and said that they did not want anyone using the surveys as a prong for compliance? Because the femminsts are mobilized and they have the general population brainwashed. Title IX will only change when old femminists like Donna Deveronna are dead and buried.

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    I don't have a problem with Title IX ideology. What I do object to is the inclusion of football on the male side of the equation. Football revenue enables schools to sponsor most other sports other than M&W basketball. Without it, the tab for hosting virtually all other sports would eliminate university sponsorship.

    In fact I have no doubt that if the NCAA were to decrease the minimum number of sports to be division one Marquette would have mens basketball and thats it.

    This has been defeated at the NCAA. RPI and h\Hopkins lobbied their participation in hockey and lacrosse to defeat the proposal. Marquette continues to be allowed Div I basketball because the venue meets the minimium size criteria set by the NCAA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karamazov View Post
    Terp I have written letters, called,emailed. The most common response that I get from senators and congressmen is that women vote too and there is no way they are going to do anything to change title IX. Why do you think the ncaa immediately came out and said that they did not want anyone using the surveys as a prong for compliance? Because the femminsts are mobilized and they have the general population brainwashed. Title IX will only change when old femminists like Donna Deveronna are dead and buried.
    Same here. We are lone voices in the wilderness...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    I don't have a problem with Title IX ideology. What I do object to is the inclusion of football on the male side of the equation. Football revenue enables schools to sponsor most other sports other than M&W basketball. Without it, the tab for hosting virtually all other sports would eliminate university sponsorship.

    In fact I have no doubt that if the NCAA were to decrease the minimum number of sports to be division one Marquette would have mens basketball and thats it.

    This has been defeated at the NCAA. RPI and h\Hopkins lobbied their participation in hockey and lacrosse to defeat the proposal. Marquette continues to be allowed Div I basketball because the venue meets the minimium size criteria set by the NCAA.
    Not sure I read your post correctly. If a school is Div I in basketball they have to be Div I in everything.

    There are the half-dozen Div III schools that compete in Div I in a sport, such as RPI and Hopkins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WrestlingTerp View Post
    Not sure I read your post correctly. If a school is Div I in basketball they have to be Div I in everything.

    There are the half-dozen Div III schools that compete in Div I in a sport, such as RPI and Hopkins.
    I stand corrected on the bball issue. Not having any interest in the sport, it the one I pay no attention to.
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