What do you have to place at conferences to go to nationals?

Johnnythompsonnum1 · 07-07-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by RYou

The con's will be that guys like Jason Johnstone will miss out on the tournament, right after having a fantastic tournament at their conference meet.

Someone that gets hot a conference meet will have likely beaten some good wrestlers and may just get one of those bones.

It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out next year.

You'd think anyway. How about that kid from Michigan a few years back who entered the BIG 10's with an 0-4 record and then placed 4th. Not to mention he took Jake Rosholt to his back at nationals and damn near pinned him!

ArmyFan · 07-08-2008, 08:39 AM

As I understand it, the NCAA will allocate all 220 slots (in addition to the 110 champs) before conference tourneys next year. They will allocate them by weight to each conference to guarantee exactly 33 wrestlers per weight class. So the Big 10 may get 9 wrestlers at 125, but only 5 wrestlers at 184, for example. I also believe the conferences will be forced to award the slots according to placement at conference tourney (ie. no wildcards).

The executive committee/cabinet did not approve the additional qualifiers up to 360.

Furthermore, there had been some discussion of not allocating all 220 slots before conference tourneys -- holding back some slots (ie. the Henning clause). However, last I heard the NCAA wanted to ensure the conference championships remain qualifying tourneys, so they did not approve any allocations to be awarded after conference tourneys.

its_yaboi_mboe · 07-08-2008, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by ArmyFan

As I understand it, the NCAA will allocate all 220 slots (in addition to the 110 champs) before conference tourneys next year. They will allocate them by weight to each conference to guarantee exactly 33 wrestlers per weight class. So the Big 10 may get 9 wrestlers at 125, but only 5 wrestlers at 184, for example. I also believe the conferences will be forced to award the slots according to placement at conference tourney (ie. no wildcards).

so in that case they'll choose conference placers wouldn't they?

ArmyFan · 07-08-2008, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by its_yaboi_mboe

so in that case they'll choose conference placers wouldn't they?

Correct. I believe.

If the NCAA allocated 9 slots at 125 for the Big 10, the Big 10 must take the top 9 place finishers from the Big 10 tourney. They cannot take the top 7 plus coaches choose 2 wildcards. That's how I understand it will work.

tigerfan · 07-08-2008, 09:35 AM

How do you place 9th at Big10's?

ArmyFan · 07-08-2008, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by tigerfan

How do you place 9th at Big10's?

I don't know, but they'll need to figure out how to place out to 9th if a weight class receives 9 slots.

therick · 07-09-2008, 10:46 PM

That'll make things interesting in certain weights at bigten's. If they're only taking top 5, then that'll hurt the guys who have a mild injury and would have simply defaulted to 6th, so as not to make the injury worse, etc.

I was in favor of the process, if they actually chose the the 220 after the conference tourney's were over. Now, I'm not so sure. If the point was to get the best wrestlers there based on the entire season of work and not just one tournament, then they've screwed it up. We'll see some top ranked guys left at home because of a bad match or two, and everyone will wonder exactly how this system is better than the old one?

its_yaboi_mboe · 07-10-2008, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by therick

That'll make things interesting in certain weights at bigten's. If they're only taking top 5, then that'll hurt the guys who have a mild injury and would have simply defaulted to 6th, so as not to make the injury worse, etc.

time out. are you saying that if the #1 seed has an injury, he will get bumped down some places because the lower seeds will be easier to beat and that reduces his chances of increased injury?

ArmyFan · 07-10-2008, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by its_yaboi_mboe

time out. are you saying that if the #1 seed has an injury, he will get bumped down some places because the lower seeds will be easier to beat and that reduces his chances of increased injury?

At one point the committee was seriously considering holding some slots until after the conference tourneys -- what is commondly referred to as the Henning clause (Craig Henning). However, there was a fear that holding slots until after conference tourneys diminished the importance of the conference tourneys. Some guy who is a little banged up, ranked top 3 in the nation at his weight class, may just bag it at his conference tournament, knowing he'll get one of the national wildcard slots anyway.

So, now, all 220 slots will be allocated to the conferences by weight. And, not positive, but I believe the conferences must allocate the slots based on conference tournament placing. So the chance a Craig Henning does not get to go to NCAAs still exists.

ptoc-nwca · 07-10-2008, 10:38 AM

To give you the quick summary of the way the system works is as follows:

Each bracket will be a 33-man bracket at the NCAA Tournament

Their will be a 110 Automatic Bids given to each of the qualifying tournament champions.

An additional 140-170 bids will be allocated prior to the qualfying tournaments. The wrestling committee will set a threshold and look at these three factors.

1. Winning Percentage
2. RPI Rank
3. Coaches Poll Rank

If you meet 2 of the 3 standards you earn a bid for your qualfifying tournament at that weight class. So you might see at a tournament 125 with 2bids, 133 with 4 and then 141 with 1.

Following the qualifying tournaments, the NCAA Wrestling Committee will meet in person to allocated the remaining bids to round out the 33-man brackets.

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