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    Quote Originally Posted by fanforlife View Post
    Lawrestler - your right to some extent all the colleges care about is $$$.

    Since you think you know the solution why not propose it to those in a position to do something about it?

    What people seem to fail to realize is that it is just as much about prevention as it is anything else. If coaches/schools can get their APR up, have their alumni endow the program, keep the athletes out of trouble and show that they can do good, ect, that is what is ultimately going to save programs.

    The truth is the majority of wrestling programs bring in more money (through tuition) than they spend in their budget every year. That alone is a numbers game that the schools should be looking at. If you drop the program the majority of the kids will probably leave which means admissions has to work even harder to get more quality kids in.
    I didnt mean to sound as if I know anything really. It was just my opinion, based on discussions I've had with a couple of people who know a lot more. They are the ones who really should be posting here, but they don't care about wrestling?they just know their numbers.

    Interestingly, it wasn't as much about tuition money as I thought. Increasingly, operational expenses were listed as a reason for dropping or not adding wrestling. Tuition is expensive, but it can be endowed and aid can be given. Operational expenses for many sports has reached substantial numbers--enough that an entire sport has to be dropped to pay for the travel for other sports. (Hey Oregon, it's gonna be expensive to transport an entire women's cheer team across the country...)

    I would be willing to help if I knew who to contact, and had support of other people. And I agree there should be emphasis on retention. Programs that are in trouble should begin fundraising and starting their "Save Wrestling" web sites now, not after the hammer falls.

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    I doubt we ever see a D1 program started from scratch in our lifetime again. And I can probably guarantee we will be down to 70 programs by 2012.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrastler118 View Post
    I doubt we ever see a D1 program started from scratch in our lifetime again. And I can probably guarantee we will be down to 70 programs by 2012.
    I can pretty much agree with you there. There may be an occasional "new" Div I program if schools try to elevate their NCAA level, but that could then feed into your 70 (or fewer) programs prediction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karamazov View Post
    Hey Terp,
    I wrestled at marquette in the mid 90's. When they finally dropped the program I called the AD and had a very long conversation with him.
    You probably feel the pain of losing wrestling at your alma mater to this day. What most in the wrestling community fail to realized, or simply ignore, is that schools are held hostage by the threat of withholding federal funds if they aren't in compliance with title ix.

    Athletic programs were singled out by advocacy groups like the WSF and NWLC as the whipping boy, even though they receive little direct federal aid. A college president will gladly sacrifice 20 or 30 male athletes to ensure the institutions millions of dollars in federal monies aren't threatened. That hasn't happened yet, but no one wants to be the first.

    I you are at all interested in the subject I suggest reading Jessica Gavora's book: "Tilting the Playing Field." You might find it enlightening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawrestler View Post
    I didnt mean to sound as if I know anything really. It was just my opinion, based on discussions I've had with a couple of people who know a lot more. They are the ones who really should be posting here, but they don't care about wrestling?they just know their numbers.

    Interestingly, it wasn't as much about tuition money as I thought. Increasingly, operational expenses were listed as a reason for dropping or not adding wrestling. Tuition is expensive, but it can be endowed and aid can be given. Operational expenses for many sports has reached substantial numbers--enough that an entire sport has to be dropped to pay for the travel for other sports. (Hey Oregon, it's gonna be expensive to transport an entire women's cheer team across the country...)

    I would be willing to help if I knew who to contact, and had support of other people. And I agree there should be emphasis on retention. Programs that are in trouble should begin fundraising and starting their "Save Wrestling" web sites now, not after the hammer falls.

    There is nothing wrong with opinions but from what I have seen a lot of in this sport is people do a lot of talking and not enough "walking."

    There are organizations out there, the NWCA deals with college and high school, USA Wrestling the international styles, and there is every college that supports a program.

    If you have a "favorite team" do what you can to help them out. Go to matches, donate money, write their AD telling them how much you support them because of the fact that they sponsor wrestling. There is a lot out there that can be done if people take initiative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WrestlingTerp View Post
    You probably feel the pain of losing wrestling at your alma mater to this day. What most in the wrestling community fail to realized, or simply ignore, is that schools are held hostage by the threat of withholding federal funds if they aren't in compliance with title ix.

    Athletic programs were singled out by advocacy groups like the WSF and NWLC as the whipping boy, even though they receive little direct federal aid. A college president will gladly sacrifice 20 or 30 male athletes to ensure the institutions millions of dollars in federal monies aren't threatened. That hasn't happened yet, but no one wants to be the first.

    I you are at all interested in the subject I suggest reading Jessica Gavora's book: "Tilting the Playing Field." You might find it enlightening.

    I own the book tiltling the playing field. All that does is increase my anger about title IX. Title IX needs to be changed, and anyone with half a brain and a small amount of justice can see that. The other thing from a policy point of view that needs to happen is that NCAA schools need to have the minimum number of sports raised. Because just as you said school presidents will gladly sacrifice 20 to 30 male athletes to ensure federal monies. If the NCAA says that you have to have 10 male sports to be division one schools will just as quickly add those male roster spots in order to stay division one. No president wants to be known as the one that took their school to division 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanforlife View Post
    If you have a "favorite team" do what you can to help them out. Go to matches, donate money, write their AD telling them how much you support them because of the fact that they sponsor wrestling. There is a lot out there that can be done if people take initiative.
    I agree with all that, and I have done that for my alma mater. Thankfully its wrestling program is pretty safe considering it's in the Big 10 and wrestling is fairly popular in the state. However I live out west now, and the dearth of wrestling programs out here is frightening. I would go to a college wrestling meet, if there were one within 100 miles. I'd be willing to help out with those organizations if they had any way to help other then writing a check (I don't even see that option on some of their Web sites).

    While it's hard to imagine a new D1 wrestling program starting up, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities, with some financial backing. However right there's a lot of work that could be done on getting some of these programs re-instated. I'd love to see Oregon re-start its efforts now the new AD is official. Living in CA, I know a lot of people out here still miffed at Fresno State, and I see "Fresno State Wrestling" shirts every once in a while.

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    Hey Wrestlingterp, you know the best way to reinstate programs is to get themat.com posters to organize a letter writing campaign to the AD's. You are in denial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrestlingTerp View Post
    I can pretty much agree with you there. There may be an occasional "new" Div I program if schools try to elevate their NCAA level, but that could then feed into your 70 (or fewer) programs prediction.
    Sad to say, but very true.
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