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    Women's equestrian team and a Russian-filed tennis team, but they don't have the money for wrestling? I suspect the APRs are an excuse, not a reason.

    Frankly, I think that Delaware State lost the mission of an HBCU years ago. Maybe they have a new mission: HMCU (Historically Mismanaged Colleges and Universities)

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    Keep in mind it does take more than 1 year to fully turn your APR around. There are groups out there that will work with struggling APR schools, but it takes time. It does not happen overnight. One year not enough time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanforlife View Post
    Keep in mind it does take more than 1 year to fully turn your APR around. There are groups out there that will work with struggling APR schools, but it takes time. It does not happen overnight. One year not enough time.
    And there is a big difference between head count and equivalency sports with regard to the APR. Men's basketball can have a maximum of 13 athletes on scholarship, wrestling could have 30 or more.
    "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!?

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    Going to link to this since it is about Del State as well as the other programs that have been dropped:

    http://www.intermatwrestle.com/news/...y.aspx?ID=9866
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanforlife View Post
    Going to link to this since it is about Del State as well as the other programs that have been dropped:
    While the NWCA may mean well, I don't see any of the items they list saving any of these programs. Just my $0.02, the almighty dollar is about the only thing colleges care about these days.

    I wish them luck, but it seems like if they are serious about re-instating wrestling at these schools (or other schools from years past) they should focus on the one school that is most likely to re-instate wrestling if the funds can be raised, and organize a large fundraising drive. It seems like if the NWCA or some other organization stepped in to help organize and drive the fundraising efforts, the fundraising could be significant enough to endow several scholarships at least. Lawsuits and program education only go so far when the money just isn't there. There's so many "Save X Wrestling" Web sites out there, but there has to be at least one program that can be re-instated.

    Anyway that's my two cents. It is sad times...and nerve wrecking with talk that Oregon State is possibly cutting sports.

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    Lawrestler - your right to some extent all the colleges care about is $$$.

    Since you think you know the solution why not propose it to those in a position to do something about it?

    What people seem to fail to realize is that it is just as much about prevention as it is anything else. If coaches/schools can get their APR up, have their alumni endow the program, keep the athletes out of trouble and show that they can do good, ect, that is what is ultimately going to save programs.

    The truth is the majority of wrestling programs bring in more money (through tuition) than they spend in their budget every year. That alone is a numbers game that the schools should be looking at. If you drop the program the majority of the kids will probably leave which means admissions has to work even harder to get more quality kids in.
    Champions are made while no one is watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanforlife View Post
    Lawrestler - your right to some extent all the colleges care about is $$$.

    Since you think you know the solution why not propose it to those in a position to do something about it?

    What people seem to fail to realize is that it is just as much about prevention as it is anything else. If coaches/schools can get their APR up, have their alumni endow the program, keep the athletes out of trouble and show that they can do good, ect, that is what is ultimately going to save programs.

    The truth is the majority of wrestling programs bring in more money (through tuition) than they spend in their budget every year. That alone is a numbers game that the schools should be looking at. If you drop the program the majority of the kids will probably leave which means admissions has to work even harder to get more quality kids in.
    Look at Jamestown College in North Dakota. They added 18 students that would not have gone there by ADDING women's wrestling. Their website lists tuition, room and board as $20,000 a year, but also claims that most students get enough financial aid to cover 50% of tuition. If you use the 50% tuition and full room and board - that's an additional $200,000 per year revenue for the college PLUS (and this is where the short-sightedness really shows) those are 18 future potential donors to the college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanforlife View Post
    The truth is the majority of wrestling programs bring in more money (through tuition) than they spend in their budget every year. That alone is a numbers game that the schools should be looking at. If you drop the program the majority of the kids will probably leave which means admissions has to work even harder to get more quality kids in.
    Especially true at the Div III level.

    Of course Marquette was totally self-sustaining, at a school with declining applications for admission, and without the convenient scapegoat of football. They still dropped wrestling.

    Wonder why????
    "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrestlingTerp View Post
    Especially true at the Div III level.

    Of course Marquette was totally self-sustaining, at a school with declining applications for admission, and without the convenient scapegoat of football. They still dropped wrestling.

    Wonder why????
    Hey Terp,
    I wrestled at marquette in the mid 90's. When they finally dropped the program I called the AD and had a very long conversation with him. Essentially I asked him how it could make financial sense for the university to get rid of a self supporting sport that brought in a lot of tuition dollars. He told me that the only women's sport that he could start that could balance the Title IX numbers would be swimming or crew. Either one of those sports would have cost the university millions to start and so even though wrestling was making the university money it wasn't enough. I am sure that you know all of this already but thought I would put it out there again. If you ask me the best thing that wrestling could do would be to get the ncaa to up the minimum number of sports that a university needs to have in order to be division one. If schools were forced to have say 22 sports instead of 16 then wrestling would have a chance. As it stands right now most schools want a men's entertainment department and a women's athletic department.

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