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    How many times has that actually happened without taking a redshirt year like herbert did.

    I don't think metcalf has a shot, but who HAS actually done it?

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    John Smith and Uetake come to mind, I think Carr was in high school.
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    Ken Chertow Randy Lewis, Bobby Weaver, Garret Lowney off the top off my head

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    Will it ever be done again by a wrestler going from collegiate folkstyle in march to freestyle trials in June?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Will it ever be done again by a wrestler going from collegiate folkstyle in march to freestyle trials in June?

    IMO, It's not out of the question, BUT as long as the freestyle rules stay like this, it is unlikely.

    Freestyle wrestling, as it stands today, is almost a completely different sport. In the past, I would say pre 2000 Olympics (I know QS and other's may/will disagree with that time period, I say that because that was my era of wrestling freestyle) the rules favored "our" folkstyle significantly more than they do today.

    Today, Freestyle is all about strategy and less about action. NCAA wrestling is in my opinion, for the most part less about strategy and more about action. Kind of like Hockey and Soccer. Same idea, different skill set.

    Until the rules change, it the transition will be difficult. Americans tend to do well their first time in a major international competition, but Americans against Americans the first time out are different. Look at Herbert, one might argue that had he wrestled this year, he would have been the best lb per lb wrestler. He took his red-shirt, wrestled nothing but freestyle, and didn't fair too well at the open.

    Also, I think Greco is a different animal completely. Lowney was something special that doesn't come along very often. If he'd have gone to the USOEC, instead of Minnesota, I think he was talented enough to be on par with Gatsalov only in greco. Thats rare. One of the reasons we have had success in greco recently is that there is the Greco program at Northern Michigan. Right now, a lot of that first generation are coming into their own on the senior circuit. The old timers that are still going strong are being pushed heavily by the new kids in that program.

    If there was a Focused College program like that for freestyle, I think we wouldn't have such trouble like we've been having. If for no other reason then to provide consistent competition to the guys who are in their prime.

    If you think about it like that, ASU would have been PERFECT. Not that I want to see their wrestling program go away, I don't. BUT, thats where sunkist is, there's already somewhat of an infrastructure there, and its got to be more attractive than a northern michigan. It would give talented freestylers like a Wright or Graff and give them another option besides DI.


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    As far as wrestlers making it as 1st team Olympians while still having NCAA eligibility, along with the guys that Brothers ISU and ODH listed, add Barry Davis of Iowa in 84 and Mark Fuller of Bakersfield/BYU in 80 & 84 to the list. If you are including guys who are NCAA seniors and make the team, there have been more than a few: Jimmy Jackson, Frank Famiano, Gene Mills off the top of my head. In 84, Bill Scheer, Andy Seras, Shawn Shelton and myself were Olympic Alternates and NCAA seniors or juniors.

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    Wasn't Weaver an alternate in HS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by architeuthis View Post
    IMO, It's not out of the question, BUT as long as the freestyle rules stay like this, it is unlikely.

    Freestyle wrestling, as it stands today, is almost a completely different sport. In the past, I would say pre 2000 Olympics (I know QS and other's may/will disagree with that time period, I say that because that was my era of wrestling freestyle) the rules favored "our" folkstyle significantly more than they do today.

    Today, Freestyle is all about strategy and less about action. NCAA wrestling is in my opinion, for the most part less about strategy and more about action. Kind of like Hockey and Soccer. Same idea, different skill set.

    Until the rules change, it the transition will be difficult. Americans tend to do well their first time in a major international competition, but Americans against Americans the first time out are different. Look at Herbert, one might argue that had he wrestled this year, he would have been the best lb per lb wrestler. He took his red-shirt, wrestled nothing but freestyle, and didn't fair too well at the open.

    Also, I think Greco is a different animal completely. Lowney was something special that doesn't come along very often. If he'd have gone to the USOEC, instead of Minnesota, I think he was talented enough to be on par with Gatsalov only in greco. Thats rare. One of the reasons we have had success in greco recently is that there is the Greco program at Northern Michigan. Right now, a lot of that first generation are coming into their own on the senior circuit. The old timers that are still going strong are being pushed heavily by the new kids in that program.

    If there was a Focused College program like that for freestyle, I think we wouldn't have such trouble like we've been having. If for no other reason then to provide consistent competition to the guys who are in their prime.

    If you think about it like that, ASU would have been PERFECT. Not that I want to see their wrestling program go away, I don't. BUT, thats where sunkist is, there's already somewhat of an infrastructure there, and its got to be more attractive than a northern michigan. It would give talented freestylers like a Wright or Graff and give them another option besides DI.


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    The stars also have to align so that a top NCAA wrestler makes the national team on an Olympic year.
    Cael made the national team as an undergrad, bur did not go when the Worlds was moved from NYC and rescheduled to the middle of the NCAA season.

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    Jake Diechtler is a high school senior and in the 66 kg Greco finals
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