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Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here and it's been covered in the other threads, but I just read the article about Gable's comments on ASU's program getting cut.

I can't help but think that Title IX played a fairly minimal role in this program getting cut. Why? Because of other programs that I've known that have been cut, they could not be reinstated even if supporters could financially keep the program alive. In the case of ASU, they clearly said that if outside sources fund it, it can stay.

So, Title IX must not be playing much of a role in this, correct?

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tigerfan

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RYou

The tennis and swimming teams have a $5,000,000 price tag, but wrestling is $8,000,000. Why so much more. There aren't that many more that travel on the road, at least not $3M more.

I'll hazard a guess she saw how much was raised for Oregon and feared the amount could actually be raised.

ASU is in the title IX toilet and will still be in the toilet even after these cuts. The cuts afford ASU to "show progress" toward achieving Title IX compliance. That alone keeps the law suits for violation at bay.

LoSt

I hear its all mike Moyers fault

NUwildcats

this seems more like a mismanagment of funds. ASU probably invested a little too much money than they can afford in the big money sports and their investment didnt pay off. i am pretty sure they are currently paying a few million dollars to ex-coaches as part of some severance pay.

CWF

Title IX was the catalist that started many programs on the road to their demise. While it's not always the stated cause of cutting programs it rears its ugly head if even behind a veil. There remains no rhyme or reason for many of the ways Title IX is implemented and it does, on occasion, get blamed for cuts where administrators an AD's lack sufficient cause.

ASU cutting wrestling probably has more to do with long term financial support of their new indoor football facility than Title IX.

Follow the money.

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wrastler118

Wrestling people have proven to be very cheap people when it comes to supporting our programs. This is the exact opposite when it comes to football and b-ball. These guys back their sports up with money by showing up for events, buying official team gear, books, movies and so on.

We complain about having to spend $30 for DVD's on technique and rarely show up for events.

When we start spending the dollars for wrestling that these others sports fans do, then we'll see some change.

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contini

Twelve women's teams remain at Arizona State University, compared to only 8 men's teams, leaving many of the 70 members of the men's swimming, tennis and wrestling teams to wonder if Title IX was the reason they were cut. "Why were we the only ones on the chopping block?" said ASU wrestler Chris Drouin. "Why was there no female team cut? Is this a Title IX thing?"

ASU Athletic Director Lisa Love said Monday Title IX was a factor, but the bottom line was economics. She cited rising costs in paying for teams to travel to competitions, saying they would save $1 million a year by cutting these three men's programs.

Mark Brand, ASU Associate Athletic Director, said before making the decision to cut the programs, the university was in compliance with Title IX. He said they still are, despite having 12 women's teams and only eight men's teams. Brand said Title IX isn't about having an equal number of teams, but an equal amount of opportunities for men and women to compete. He said that is why they added a women's soccer team in 1996 and a women's water polo team in 2002. Brand said those additions hurt the department economically, but they had to be added to comply with Title IX. Brand said if they had cut a women's program, they would have been out of compliance with Title IX and could have potentially gotten fined.

RYou

I have held all along that the Football population should be separated from the Title IX calculations. There no comparable female altrnative and it is a huge money maker for most, that without it, many female sports would not exist. Football so dominates the calculations that it near impossible for any school to be title IV compliant.

Take football out of the equation and male wrestling, swimming, tennis wouldn't be in the position they are in.

contini

I've also been long in agreement with that argument. Revenue sports should not be included in the calculation.