Hey guys read my posts, I never said Terry Brands wasnt Cejudos coach, I just dont think he deserves all of the credit... Who the heck is Mr. York & Tattoo?
But yeah, pretty much what I expect from Midwesterners who are salty about Caels departure, I will enjoy the whining and complaining in years to come, as it will most certainly intensify.
"Iowa is getting new facilities anyway. It doesn't matter.
People will come to Iowa and Iowa State, Oklahoma State, and Minnesota because they want to go to a great program with National Championship history.
If you see my earlier post Take the top 5 programs from last year (One is based in PA).
Edinboro who placed 5th had 6 kids out of 35 on the team were from PA.
So 6 kids out of approximately 175 total wrestlers on the top 5 teams wrestled in PA.
And one of the six was Adam Frey who wrestled at Blair Academy.
My point is you need good local kids(majority of the team), Some good regional kids, A few great local, regional and National talent to be a National contender.
It maybe easier for Cael to land PA, OH, NY, NJ kids now but, harder to get Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Missouri, and Nebraska kids who grew up watching the Cyclones. It's a trade off in my opinion."
Im guessing your supposed to be some sort of Guru, since your born and raised an Iowan and all. Adam Frey has cancer, and he wrestled for Cornell. If have no idea where that info came from????
Either way, those are some very relevant numbers to this discussion, LMAO
His point was that only 6 of the 175 wrestlers on the top 5 teams came from PA.. Adam Frey (who was on #5 Cornell...) didn't wrestle but was one of these 6...
It's a good point, although I would say that the reason PA kids weren't playing major roles in titles before is because they have spread out... they will not spread out nearly as much anymore. The Altons are the first in a series of quality PA kids that otherwise would have gone outside of PA to a better program. (i.e. Iowa.)
Also, don't be rude to members of the forum- especially the volunteer moderators who are very valuable to our community. You can disagree without adding stupid comments.
It would appear none of the top 3 teams had a kid listed as originally from PA. Might have missed some, though.
What I do notice is the very deep roster of in-state talent from each school...
0 of 41 at Iowa were from PA (looking at the in-state representation it makes me think about the quality of competition in-state kids obviously provide... 28 of the kids were from IA)
0 of 45 at Ohio State were from PA (another team heavily loaded with in-state talent.. 32 of their kids are listed to be from Ohio.)
0 of 31 at Iowa State were from PA (13 of 31 were from Iowa... not quite where IA and OSU are in terms of in state talent..)
With a few exceptions, it's been my feeling that PA wrestlers seldom came to Iowa to wrestle in college. Some very good ones did go to Stillwater, but not too many end up in/at Iowa. I don't know if the same is true of Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Nebraska. There were always too many good college teams in PA to do much recruiting there, and it's still that way.
But let's refocus on the original question for this thread:
"How in the heck did Cael lose his ability to provide a "good rivalry" and "good competition" and lost his ability to coach a team which will challenge the Hawkeyes just by moving to Pa?"
Answer: he didn't and neither did Sunderland. PSU challenges the Hawkeyes most years. Ths last year was a poor one for PSU, and Sunderland lost his job, but it doesn't mean he was a bad coach. Some years are better than others. Folks make it sound like PSU was a loser. PSU is usually always competitive.
The question you want to ask is this:
How long will it be before Cael Sanderson coaches PSU to a title?
It's really about Sanderson. It's not about Iowa, who graduates all those AA seniors after 2009-10. Look at Minnesota, and Oklahoma State for power in 2010-11. JRob and Smith still own some of the best records in college wrestling. No one will monopolize talent like Iowa did in the 70s and 80s ever again.
And this question:
Has Cael Sanderson really improved his chances of winning a title by moving to PA?
He gave up a great ISU squad who was a legitimate contender for next year's title, to gain what he believes is long-term advantage. Is he right?