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    Well then now would be a great time for us all to keep reaching out to people that we know to get as much information and as many donations put together as we can since we have the time right?
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    I agree this should be about Adam. Not about whatever social agenda Big has. I guess at this point any sort of problems Adam was having could be linked to the cancer. I agree with Gofer it probably most affected his conditioning.
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    The argument that cancer hurt Adam last year doesn't hold up very well since he was doing very well in the beginning of the year but began to falter in the second half and could not even make weight at NCAAs. He was going full distance with the best guys last year in the first half of the season.

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    The consistent issue with Frey has been his third period conditioning. Once opponents knew this, they would try to hang for two and then push the pace in the third.

    That being said, he was still wrestling at a VERY high level with the best collegiate wrestlers in the country. That's more than I can say for me.

    He HAS inspired me though to be outside this past week and staying active and spending time close to my family and friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grapplefan View Post
    I get a lot of good information from the web, too, but it's only as reliable as the person or group posting it. There is no way someone should feel guilty for behavior (weight-cutting) that may not have any statistical relevance in this case (damage to Adam), nor should anyone blame wrestling for this illness (damage to sport). There are already lots of reasons to disavow excessive weight cutting.

    Science is hypothesis proven by evidence. This is why we have peer-reviewed science journals that publish such evidence. What we don't want is conjecture or hearsay taken as proof.
    I agree. Big quoted a wikipedia article which is using science journals that show the evidence. This means there is no conjecture or hearsay on his part, and their is evidence that makes his post a ligitimate question. Thus, I still say it was unfair of anyone on here to attack him as they did.
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    gofer,

    When you lose crazy amounts of weight consistently you will tend to have bad 3rd periods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhawk View Post
    I agree with you about it being a choice and not necessary to the sport, but false claims to the contrary aren't the only way it can damage wrestling. All it takes is the PERCEPTION by outsiders that it is an integral part of wrestling for the damage to be done. And like it or not, I think that perception exists for many people right now, even without unsubstantiated theories about a link between weight-cutting and cancer.
    I've got that perception because I don't know any better. What is the alternative for wrestlers? Naturally moving up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPOConnorFan View Post
    I agree. Big quoted a wikipedia article which is using science journals that show the evidence. This means there is no conjecture or hearsay on his part, and their is evidence that makes his post a ligitimate question. Thus, I still say it was unfair of anyone on here to attack him as they did.
    He gave references to Wikipedia about Hodgkins, but he did not establish a direct causal relationship with weight cutting, nor did he or Wikipedia reference any data that did. As Blue suggests, it could just as easily be that his weight troubles were the result of his cancer as vice versa. Any attempt to blame the victim in this case is far more unfair than our reluctance to embrace Big's hypothesis.

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    Wikipedia alone is a ridiculous source since it can be edited by any poster.

    I don't think Big is blaming the victim, rather the practice of weight cutting. However, coming from a career heavyweight like Big, I am not sure why he is in this conversation.

    Most kids cutting weight big are going to have gas tank issues, but since there are so many doing it, it comes down to how they are doing it and how much they are cutting. This is the wrong thread for this conversation though isn't it.
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