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    Quote Originally Posted by grapplefan View Post
    I don't think that we're unfair to BIG, who enjoys inciting controversy here quite frequently. We all know that excessive weight-cutting is detrimental, but unless he can provide statistical evidence that excessive weight-cutting for wrestling and cancer are correlated, then his concept is hypothetical at best, and could be most damaging to Adam and to the sport.

    The web has allowed a whole new level of misinformation to propagate. Scientific evidence takes time. Is cancer linked with weakened immune systems? Most likely it is. But can we prove a causal relationship in this case? That's very unlikely.

    Very bad things can happen to very good people. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Adam Frey, and we are ALL hoping for his speedy recovery and continued success.
    The web has also allowed a whole new level of information to propagate too. Science is hypothesis and I don't see how it would be damaging to Adam nor the sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPOConnorFan View Post
    The web has also allowed a whole new level of information to propagate too. Science is hypothesis and I don't see how it would be damaging to Adam nor the sport.
    I get a lot of good information from the web, too, but it's only as reliable as the person or group posting it. There is no way someone should feel guilty for behavior (weight-cutting) that may not have any statistical relevance in this case (damage to Adam), nor should anyone blame wrestling for this illness (damage to sport). There are already lots of reasons to disavow excessive weight cutting.

    Science is hypothesis proven by evidence. This is why we have peer-reviewed science journals that publish such evidence. What we don't want is conjecture or hearsay taken as proof.

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    Excessive weight cutting is a personal choice. Its not a NECESSARY part of wrestling so it can't damage the sport UNLESS someone falsely claims it is a necessary part of wrestling.

    Its kind of like saying cars are responsible for deadly accidents during reckless driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Excessive weight cutting is a personal choice. Its not a NECESSARY part of wrestling so it can't damage the sport UNLESS someone falsely claims it is a necessary part of wrestling.

    Its kind of like saying cars are responsible for deadly accidents during reckless driving.
    I agree with you about it being a choice and not necessary to the sport, but false claims to the contrary aren't the only way it can damage wrestling. All it takes is the PERCEPTION by outsiders that it is an integral part of wrestling for the damage to be done. And like it or not, I think that perception exists for many people right now, even without unsubstantiated theories about a link between weight-cutting and cancer.

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    I think some "outsiders" hate wrestling and they will find anything to make it look bad. Some people say it looks gay for people to touch each other on the mat like that. Should we avoid certain moves to prevent "that kind of touching"?

    I think rather than trying to fit our discussion to please people, we should convince them or at least the general public that things like extreme weight cutting are not necessary and those that get hurt by doing it are simply making a mistake.

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    Has anyone maybe had the thought that the tumors are what made his weight cutting so difficult? Cancer screws with your body in many odd ways. I don't think Adam's weight cutting was excessive, but it was thrust into the spotlight because he was having difficulties. Doesn't cancer answer the question?

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    It was excessive. Wasn't he like at high 140s or even close to 150 when making 133? According to current rules you should not weigh over 133 before practice if you compete at this weight.

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    And how many people follow that doctrine Big? Please.

    I was talking to my wife about you Adam the other day and she is really marveling at your attitude, same as my middle son. I am going to try to get this thread back on track and keep focusing my thoughts and prayers on Adam and his family instead of trying to get on a soap box.

    The tumor COULD affect the weight cutting but I actually think it sounds more realistic that the tumors and their locations had more to do with Adam's conditioning problems this year.

    I am not sure where you are going with all of this Big but I think we should keep trying to focus positive thoughts and solutions in Adam's direction.
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    We can do both. Adam is going to have chemotherapy for a while and there is nothing you can do to speed that up.

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