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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Sports medicine is about treating injuries, not about the sport itself. The only reason its called "sports" medicine is because the injuries they treat occur in sports.

    Wrestlers becoming doctors is irrelevant because they don't teach you about wrestling in medical schools. They don't break down a wrestling season and study what happens to wrestlers.

    They learn how to fix an ACL tear and stuff like that.
    Where did you go to medical school, since you know so much about sports medicine?

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    I'm closing this thread, because as I said previously I don't see it going anywhere good.

    If anyone has a coherent argument for why it should be reopened pm it to me and I'll consider it.

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    Default Just to clarify my background since it was asked

    I Spent two years getting my masters degree in Exercise Physiology at Adelphi University which is a top 5 program in the country and two of my professors were on the board of American College of Sports Medicine.

    Then I gave a lecture at the company I work to some resident sport medicine doctors on fitness and training as part of their residency. They were amazed how much they did not know about exercise physiology.

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    Default Re: Just to clarify my background since it was asked

    Here is a brief description of how immune system can damage itself and your body. It has B cells and Tcells that fight infections in the body but another function of these cells is to get rid of damaged cells from stress and physical training. Overtraining is really your body's immune system killing too many of the cells that were damaged from training and then you need some time to re-build those cells to be able to train full strength again.

    What happens is that when your immune system kills damaged cells it cannot fight disease very well and bacteria can freely enter the body and make some damage. Once bacteria damages certain organs, they can start producing cells abnormally which is known as tumors.

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    I have a feeling that I'm going to regret this, but due to quick making the reasonable argument that I asked for the thread is open again.

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    I don't think Big is being unreasonable, in that it is conceivable that there is some connection between routinely putting your body through extraordinary stresses and becoming more easily ill because of a weakened immune system, and so it's not that his logic is flawed, but rather that at this point most people are still thinking about adam frey getting better and not thinking about whether there is some connection between his wrestling and the fact that he has cancer.

    However, this is clearly not a wrestlers-only disease, and not all wrestlers get it. To say that it could have "caused" the cancer is a stretch. However, I think to say that wrestling and the weight cutting therein could easily be seen as an increased risk. There are clearly a great many more factors in play.

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    Its not that I pictured Big being unreasonable, what I pictured was him eventually getting frustrated and saying something horrifically offensive which would place me in a bind when it came to what to do about it/him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirgermaine View Post
    I don't think Big is being unreasonable, in that it is conceivable that there is some connection between routinely putting your body through extraordinary stresses and becoming more easily ill because of a weakened immune system
    well, a weakend immune system is mentioned on the link DH has up on Adam's site as something that puts you more "at risk" for the disease. I know cutting weight poorly took a hell of a toll on my immune system, and it makes sense to me (that it would put you more at risk.)

    However, saying one thing caused this is pretty absurd and sort of arbitrary since in cases like these it is likely that more than one of the contributing factors, c.p., could be the proverbial straw (homer likes this word?).

    I also have to agree with bluestater and say that the idea behind the thread is inappropriate -- we are talking as if Frey is responsible his health (as is implied by his weight cutting causing lymphoma -- i.e. if he wouldn't have done it he would not have had lymphoma) and that is probably is not the case.

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    All I said was a suggestion that weight cutting could have been a factor. We all know Frey went nuts all year last year cutting weight.

    People have died in the past from cutting weight. Its not unreasonable that it played a role in cancer. Of course Frey is not to be blamed since he could not have known.

    My friend Jeff Riese died in University of Michigan from cutting weight. He always bragged how he can cut a lot of weight. We went to Junior Nationals together and he was 15 over 3 days before and he said it was no problem. 3 years later he was dead from weight cutting.

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