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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    We saw the same match through different eyes. I thought Davis was never in trouble and Michalak was not going to score anything but escapes. I felt bad for Michalak when Davis was riding him and he was being called for stalling, I thought he was trying to work but there was nothing he could do against Davis's ride.
    No, seriously, the description you gave from Jason Bryant didn't describe the final. It talked about both guys Semifinal wins.
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    Samsonite, you are way off.

    1. Why would Perry be off if Letters won it his Senior year? Perry was at 174.

    2. If Perry were at 165, why would we assume that Letters would beat him, when Perry beat Letters at NCAA's as a Frosh?

    3. Perry was more then just outmuscled? Herbert killed himself to make 174, while Perry could obviously have been at 165.
    1. Oh yea, forgot about that
    2. I did not say I thought Letters would win. I said if Letters was healthy and he won he would be on the list
    3. It takes more than cutting weight to win a match. If Perry easily could have been at 165 why did he go to 174?

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    No, seriously, the description you gave from Jason Bryant didn't describe the final. It talked about both guys Semifinal wins.
    Yes I know that. ESPNU did not show Davis's semifinal, so I check Intermat to see how Davis did in the Semi and JB says he was dominant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    1. Oh yea, forgot about that
    2. I did not say I thought Letters would win. I said if Letters was healthy and he won he would be on the list
    3. It takes more than cutting weight to win a match. If Perry easily could have been at 165 why did he go to 174?
    Probably (dumbly) thought he could outfunk Askren, whereas Hendricks was a tougher nut to crack. Why did he go back down to 165? Are you insinuating he couldn't make the weight for one year, then could make it all of a sudden for two more years?
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    If your list is greatest wrestlers in the last 25 years it is not too hard to leave Branch off the list. If you are judging someone whole season and career by NCAA placements it becomes more difficult.
    The lists could be really different if you define "great" as NCAA results vs overall career. The one I'd have to include on my top 25 list would be Rob Koll. 4x AA - 8-3-3-1. Soph year lost a close one in the semis, junior year fractured his sternum early on but still wrestled back to 3rd, then dominated his senior year. 49 career pins. 155-20-1 career record, but 88-3 his final 2 seasons. What makes his accomplishments even more remarkable to me was that he did it at Carolina, where he didn't exactly have the workout partners he could have had at, say, Penn State...

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    Like I've said, I tried to negotiate some middle ground between just going by placements at the tournament, and still working back to their overall career. Pins were a big bonus factor for me, as you'll no doubt see when you look at where I stuck Askren.

    I'm curious, how do you all want me to release these when I'm finished with them? Do you want me to just toss the entire list out at once, or do you want it clustered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VakAttack View Post
    Probably (dumbly) thought he could outfunk Askren, whereas Hendricks was a tougher nut to crack. Why did he go back down to 165? Are you insinuating he couldn't make the weight for one year, then could make it all of a sudden for two more years?
    I assume that he ahd trouble making it and decided to try to bulk up to 174.
    Maybe tried to add muscle through lifting (I know there was no evidence of lifting showing on his physique)
    Obviously did not work and maybe he decided if he wants a championship he should focus on wrestling and not lifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    All the guys in the first post save for Lee, and McCoy are in the top 25. Branch, and Bonomo are as well, I wouldn't be asking for pin numbers for them if they weren't.

    Here are some other guys that made my top 35-50'ish range that didn't stick in the end.

    Duane Goldman
    Joe Heskett
    Joe Dubuque
    Damion Hahn
    Troy Letters (I'm ready for a hearty bashing for this one)
    Chris Pendleton (And for this one, as Askren is up pretty high on the list right now)
    Donny Pritzlaff
    Pat Santoro
    Markus Mollica
    Jack Cuvo
    Kevin Randleman
    Michael Lightner
    Eric Juergens
    Carlton Haselrig (I didn't really know what to deal with him, I guess you can say I'm technically limiting it to full time D1 guys, or else he'd have been on it)
    Josh Koscheck
    Eric Larkin
    Sonny Abe
    Ryan Bertin
    Sam Hazewinkel (He lasted the longest of the no titles guys on the original list)
    Jake Herbert: (Made it the furthest of guys still in college)

    Not gonna hear me argue about letters. Still one of the best wrestlers I've ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Alan Fried: 2/2/DNW/1 (129-6, 21 pins)<O></O>
    Johnny Thompson: 2/1/1/3 (127-14, 31 pins)<O></O>
    Mark Perry: 2/3/1/1 (101-16, 40 pins)<O></O>
    Tim Krieger: 5/1/2/1 (116-3, 33 pins)<O></O>
    Mark Ironside: 6/3/1/1 (127-10, 38 pins)<O></O>
    Johny Hendricks: 5/1/1/2 (127-13, 26 pins) <O></O>
    Travis Lee: 7/1/5/1 (143-13, 27 pins)<O></O>
    Terry Brands: DNP/1/2/1 (137-7, 48 pins)<O></O>
    Kerry McCoy: DNP/1/3/1 (150-18, 34 pins)<O></O>

    This is for a project that I'm working on that I'm eventually going to bring to the board.

    In order to do that though, I need to lose three great wrestlers off this list. I've got an idea on who I'm going to wind up dropping, but I'm interested in hearing from you all too.
    I would drop the three with the total of lowest win percentage and pin percentage. If I knew more about the level of competition at the time they wrestled I would try to factor that in. That gets a little more complicated.
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