Re: Bump 3 off the list

**Gripsnhips** · 03-27-2008, 03:20 PM

Gotta take Hendricks off the list. The way I see it, he was lucky to ever get one title.

Freshman year: Didn't win
Sophomore year: Perry pulls off a monumental upset and beats Letters in the semis. To this point, Hendricks had never beaten Letters.
Junior year: Churella and Kessel.
Senior year: Lost to Perry.

Tough guy, but you could make a case he could have never won one.

**Zapp Brannigan** · 03-27-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Gold

You may be right about the Golden Halo Effect, but as for the rest of his stats... 9 of the 10 wrestlers are 2 time champs... 6 of the 10 are 3 time finalists... and Perry has more losses than anyone else on the list. His resume is definitely impressive, but everyone on that list has damn impressive credentials... And I'm really not trying to bash anyone's opinion, just the act of blatantly giving him preference because he is around right now.

Another thing to consider is that, at the big dance, Perry has 2 losses, both to 4 X All Americans (Hendricks already, Herbert pretty likely) and to guys who were NCAA champs in their own right (2 for Hendricks, 1 and maybe 2 for Herbert.) And, as I said, second most pins on that list, which is, in the end, the ultimate goal of an individual match. I say Perry stays.

**Gripsnhips** · 03-27-2008, 03:21 PM

My other two votes are for Thompson and Perry.

**therick** · 03-27-2008, 03:22 PM

I'm with most of you. McCoy and Lee are off and it's a three way tie for me between Hendricks, Thompson, and Perry.

Personally, I hate Perry's style of wrestling, but that shouldn't be a factor. However Thompson and Henricks both have more wins and less losses than Perry. Hmmmm, I guess I could make an argument for any of those three, so I'll stick with my personal preference and go with Perry. Too many loses to average opponents, he was getting owned early in the season by Chris Brown and that doesn't happen to the great ones their senior years.

**matclone** · 03-27-2008, 03:25 PM

Gold, I don't know why you keep saying Perry is given preference b/c of recency. I mentioned his dominance at the tournament because it was an exceptional feat. Were others on the list as dominate? Probably a few were. But I don't remember Thompson or Hendricks or Lee buzzsawing their way through the tournament like Perry did. If my memory is faulty on that point, let me know.

Here's a bit of history: Perry beat Hendricks head to head at NCAAs and that surely counts for something. Also, a very minor point in Perry's favor: one of those years he wrestled up a weight, at 174.

**Zapp Brannigan** · 03-27-2008, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Gripsnhips

My other two votes are for Thompson and Perry.

Grips goes off the board and doesn't take off either Lee OR McCoy.

**Zapp Brannigan** · 03-27-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by matclone

Here's a bit of history: Perry beat Hendricks head to head at NCAAs and that surely counts for something. Also, a very minor point in Perry's favor: one of those years he wrestled up a weight, at 174.

To be fair, Hendricks also beat Perry at NCAA's (Perry's RSFR year). However, Perry beat Hendricks his Senior year, so that holds a better win for me.

**matclone** · 03-27-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by VakAttack

To be fair, Hendricks also beat Perry at NCAA's (Perry's RSFR year). However, Perry beat Hendricks his Senior year, so that holds a better win for me.

The full picture, and I agree with giving more weight to the latter match.

**Stardust** · 03-27-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by therick

I'll stick with my personal preference and go with Perry. Too many loses to average opponents, he was getting owned early in the season by Chris Brown and that doesn't happen to the great ones their senior years.

But "the great ones" also win when it counts the most. It's true, he lost more matches he "shouldn't" have during the regular season, but he stepped it up a notch when the spotlight was on. I'd leave Perry on the list because he performed under pressure when it counted most, and to me, that's part of the definition of being "great."

I'd take off Lee, Hendricks, and McCoy, for the same reasons others have mentioned.

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