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    Interesting that you pick Askren, but leave Pendleton off when I think the series was something like 7-1 in Pendleton's favor. Same story with Hendricks and Perry. Not claiming I don't have some bias......

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    Hendricks and Perry both made the list. Both are pretty far down, in fact you'll see where in about an hour when I release the first installment.

    On Pendleton, he was great, but I'm focusing quite a bit on the numbers as you can see when you read through the thread, and Pendleton may have been better than Askren during that two year run, but career wise the numbers tell me Askren was better overall. Maybe you disagree, in fact I hope you disagree, it'll get and keep people talking more as I keep going with this.

    Another guy on that list that I posted that was a bitch to leave off was Duane Goldman.

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    I realize that Pendleton didn't have as good a year as a freshman and sophomore. I never felt like he got enough credit his last two years, many said he didn't have that good of competition. I don't think we realized how good Pendleton and Askren both were until after Pendleton left. Not sure I have a strong sentiment either way, and don't have the wrestling history to put things in perspective. I can tell you've put a lot of time and energy into your "project". Nice job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Hard to imagine 25 guys better than Chris Pendleton & Carlton Haselrig
    I would agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Alan Fried: 2/2/DNW/1 (129-6, 21 pins)<O></O>
    Johnny Thompson: 2/1/1/3 (127-14, 31 pins)<O></O>
    Mark Perry: 2/3/1/1 (101-16, 40 pins)<O></O>
    Tim Krieger: 5/1/2/1 (116-3, 33 pins)<O></O>
    Mark Ironside: 6/3/1/1 (127-10, 38 pins)<O></O>
    Johny Hendricks: 5/1/1/2 (127-13, 26 pins) <O></O>
    Travis Lee: 7/1/5/1 (143-13, 27 pins)<O></O>
    Terry Brands: DNP/1/2/1 (137-7, 48 pins)<O></O>
    Kerry McCoy: DNP/1/3/1 (150-18, 34 pins)<O></O>

    This is for a project that I'm working on that I'm eventually going to bring to the board.

    In order to do that though, I need to lose three great wrestlers off this list. I've got an idea on who I'm going to wind up dropping, but I'm interested in hearing from you all too.
    Lee, Brands & McCoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfpoke View Post
    I realize that Pendleton didn't have as good a year as a freshman and sophomore. I never felt like he got enough credit his last two years, many said he didn't have that good of competition. I don't think we realized how good Pendleton and Askren both were until after Pendleton left. Not sure I have a strong sentiment either way, and don't have the wrestling history to put things in perspective. I can tell you've put a lot of time and energy into your "project". Nice job.
    Not that good of a year as a sophomore? I suppose my judgement of a good year and your judgement of a good year are two different things. Other than a 3-2 fluke loss to Brad Dillon of Lehigh, Pendleton dominated at the 2003 NCAA tournament. He stuck future NCAA Champ Shane Webster in just 17 seconds and whipped up on a red hot Curtis Owen 17-4, after Owen had beaten Dillon in the consolation quarterfinals.

    He also easily defeated Robbie Waller at the Big 12's two weeks prior.

    A dominating 3rd place finish is not so hot of a year?

    You do have a point with his freshman year, I'll give you that.
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    I don't have a problem (so far) with anyone being left off but Pendleton. He owned Askren, and head to head ought to count for something at least. Askren didn't get a whole lot better from his sophomore to his junior years, it's just that Pendleton graduated.

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    When you're comparing entire careers, Pendleton just doesn't match up. And Askren majored previously undefeated Jake Herbert the next year, who went on to an undefeated NCAA championship the next season a weight class up. He definitely improved. And by his Senior year, he pinned something like 23 people. His numbers are just better then Pendleton's, and he was a 4 time FInalist, whereas Pendleton was a 2 time FInalist.
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    McCoy, Hendricks and Kreiger

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