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    Quote Originally Posted by CYCLONE View Post
    In the case of Brands and Smith I think it is a matter of winning and winning only. Neither one of them cares about what lasting impact they will have on their wrestlers or on their school. They care about themselves and their "legacy" and hopefully their athletes will see through this. Everyone has their own coaching style but at the end of the day these are student athletes and most of them won't be doing this professionally. They will be getting jobs like all of us and will hopefully benefit from their college experience. I had a coach in high school that got up and walked away because I was losing a match at districts. I ended up coming back and winning and qualified for state. But years later I will never forget him giving up on me.
    It's shameful that your high school coach gave up on you. Tom Brands doesn't give up on his wrestlers. He is intense, competitive, and idiosyncratic. Sure Brands is about winning, but nowadays he's about winning in the broader sense, not a narrow one just on the mat. I was a doubter at first as well, but I've been impressed with Brands from every angle, and he improves as a coach by the month. Please don't confuse a lack of energy and charisma with sportsmanship, or competitiveness and intensity with childishness. Brands does care about lasting impact, and he does that by inspiring success rather than making excuses for failure. He inherited a program in decline on and off the mat, and it takes a while to make improvements on and off the mat.
    I'm not just making excuses for a coach that wins. There are lots of other bland winners that couldn't inspire a fly to land on a cow pie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYCLONE View Post
    But years later I will never forget him giving up on me.
    Yeah man, I'd have to say Coaches in general have such a big influence on their athletes. I remember all the good and bad things about my coaches and how they've affected me. I've been fortunate that most my memories are good.

    P.S. Kudos from bouncing back after what your Coach did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiltz View Post
    What I have heard (not objective). Slaton showed some poor behavior after his match with Reiter and he was taken aside by Coach Schwab and it was made clear that his behavior was not acceptable. Coach Brands is intense, firey, ect. Sometimes that behavior comes off to some as "classless". Tom is real competive guy and like Gable he will need to reign himself in once in awhile. Gable always had a coach on staff that could do that J Rob, Mark Johnson, Jimmy Z. Brands has a few excitable guys who are still competing with Schwab and Zadick. Hand needs to be that guy for Tommy.

    No matter what people will find something to hate about Brands. After all he beat up wrestlers from a lot of schools around the country when he was competing. Plus he coaches at Iowa.
    You are right, and I can't even say that I hate Brands. I met and talked to him in person years ago when I went to one of Iowa's camps. He was real motivating and intense. I met Schwab too, and let's just say he became my idol for the rest of my high school career. Schwab is a good guy and I'm glad he's on staff.

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    Brands has always been a loud, excitable guy, and that's just who he is. Was anyone shocked to see him get on his guys, and the refs, and anyone else in his way? His "posse" has clearly picked up on that - see Schwab, Zadick. Even Wes gets a little crazy from time to time. You know what you're getting with Iowa. Why is anyone surprised? That's like being shocked when Okie State coaches are whining to the refs.

    And with his dressing... he had improved when a wife stepped into the picture. Maybe he needs to listen to her?

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    I have a wife too and now that we are married she asks me why I don't dress nice like I used to when we were dating?

    What's up with that?

    I still think the refs could have made a statement and docked him his well deserved team point after the 141 match when I think they knew they had it in hand.

    If ALL the coaches would have been acting like Iowa's coaches it would have been chaos.
    "Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak."

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    Someone recently gave me a caveman-lawyer avatar (which I like, by the way, so thanks to whomever did it). But it got me to thinking, doesn't Tom Brands look a lot like my avatar? Maybe he is an unfrozen caveman?! It really would explain a a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestater View Post
    Brands has always been a loud, excitable guy, and that's just who he is. Was anyone shocked to see him get on his guys, and the refs, and anyone else in his way? His "posse" has clearly picked up on that - see Schwab, Zadick. Even Wes gets a little crazy from time to time. You know what you're getting with Iowa. Why is anyone surprised? That's like being shocked when Okie State coaches are whining to the refs.

    And with his dressing... he had improved when a wife stepped into the picture. Maybe he needs to listen to her?
    This is pretty much right on the money. The passion and competitiveness are what he is. Sometimes the intensity meets heat of the moment and manifests itself in what is not wise matside conduct for a head coach (stepping on the mat, etc.). I don't think he does any of it thinking about what he can get away with. It's mostly a byproduct of what he is.

    But another byproduct of Brands' intensity is how those he coaches pick up on it and feed off it. In a high-profile, high pressure room like at Iowa, those who can channel that influence in a positive way will become champions; those who can't either get percieved as punks or fall out of the program.

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    Come to think of it, now that it has been a long time-Gable was a bit of an emotional monster back in the day.

    I have noticed a trend, particularly in high school, but some of these coaches go absolutely berserk, much more so than when I competed. Specifically, when a kid wins a really important, intense match these coaches leap all over, yell out and all other kinds of histrionics are there for all of us to see.

    I guess it's a generational thing now. Heck, a guy can't even score a touchdown or dunk a basketball without some kind of chest thumping and in-your-face behavior.

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    Heck, a guy can't even score a touchdown or dunk a basketball without some kind of chest thumping and in-your-face behavior.

    Dunking is the freaking worst. I can't stand when six of the top ten plays on Sportscenter are dunks. It's not that hard to dunk when you're 6' 5" and have a 36" vertical. The announcers act like they've never seen a dunk before, the bench goes crazy, etc... If you posterize someone, then maybe it should be on the top 10 list, but for the most part these guys are just jumping up and throwing down. Not so exciting after seeing people dunk for the last 40 years or so.

    Sorry, off-topic on this one.

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