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Old 01-08-2008, 11:20 AM   #31 (permalink)
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2nd Half

Iowa State v. Hofstra
125: Tomasette maj Kist 4-0 Hofstra
133: Ruggirello dec Fanthorpe 7-0 Hofstra
141: Griffin dec Gallick 10-0 Hofstra
149: Mueller dec Smith 10-3 Hofstra
157: Sanderson maj Bowman 10-7 Hofstra
165: Reader maj Patrovich 11-10 Iowa State
174: Lucas dec Scott 13-11 Hofstra
184: Varner fall Danz 17-13 Iowa State
197: Rovelli dec Bertolino 17-16 Iowa State
285: Zabriskie tech Guerin 22-16 Iowa State

Wound up a little closer than I would have originally thought just on paper. Iowa State has shots at 133, and 141 to make it an even bigger gap. Maybe Tomasette doesn't get bonus, maybe Lucas does.

Michigan v. Northern Iowa
125: Flores dec Watts 3-0 UNI
133: Washington dec Diehl 6-0 UNI
141: Russell dec Ettleson 6-3 UNI
149: Churella maj Ettleson 7-6 Michigan
157: Marsh dec Beets 10-6 Michigan
165: Tannenbaum dec Fay 13-6 Michigan
174: Luke dec Dolly 16-6 Michigan
184: Todd maj O'Loughlin 20-6 Michigan
197: Biondo dec Anderson 23-6 Michigan
285: Bleske dec Bauman 26-6 Michigan

UNI has shots here at 125, 133, 197, and 285. Michigan has shots there too. This one could be a close one, or it could be a whitewashing. Either way, Michigan's middle six carry them here.

Missouri v. Indiana
125: Escobedo maj Pescaglia 4-0 Indiana
133: Hernandez dec McCormick 7-0 Indiana
141: Hoehn dec Warren 7-3 Indiana
149: Wagner maj Kinser 7-7
157: Becker dec Chandler 10-7 Indiana
165: Marable dec Coughlin 10-10
174: Perry dec Williamson 13-10 Indiana
184: Jordan dec Bennett 13-13
197: Askren fall Faggiano 19-13 Missouri
285: Ellis dec Kuhn 22-13 Missouri

Another one with some good match ups. McCormick has been gone for while, and then almost got majored by Marble from Bucknell in his first go round back. Marable and Coughlin should be a good one, match up of two top 5 guys. Indiana would get a huge boost if Perry could throw whoever Missouri puts out at 174 for bonuses or the fall. That top end though for Missouri is just too good I think.

Iowa v. Cornell
125: Falck maj Perelli 4-0 Iowa
133: Slaton dec Grey 7-0 Iowa
141: Leclere dec McGill 10-0 Iowa
149: Metcalf maj Frey 14-0 Iowa
157: Leen dec Morningstar 14-3 Iowa
165: Perry dec Lewnes 17-3 Iowa
174: Anceravage dec Borschel 17-6 Iowa
184: Keddy maj Moore 21-6 Iowa
197: Panasevich dec Loera 21-9 Iowa
285: Fields dec Hammond 24-9 Iowa

A lot in this one probably depends on the health of the Cornell guys, they won't win, but if a lot of their guys are out this one could get ugly. Slaton v. Grey could go either way. I think Metcalf wears Frey out if he wrestles at 149, and gets the major, and Leclere might get him if Frey sucks down to 141. Perry v. Lewnes depends on which Perry shows up. Borschel might get Anceravage.

Quarterfinals
#1 Penn State v. Nebraska
#4 Central Michigan v. #5 Minnesota
#3 Iowa State v. #6 Michigan
#2 Iowa v. #7 Missouri
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:21 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Brakets are now updated. No way Penn State gets past Minnesota to get to the finals. Looks like we should get a remach of Iowa/ISU in the bottom half of the bracket.
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I will have the link in a minute... I don't have enough posts to post a link yet
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and here is the link

http://www.intermatwrestle.com/colle...d1_bracket.pdf
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I could see Perry having a big tournament. He tends to come back with fury after a loss. I am sure Brands was after him pretty hard about that loss.
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Default Re: 2008 Cliff Keen National Duals Predictions/Results/Discussion

Moving onto the Quarters...

Penn State v. Nebraska
125: Donahoe dec McKnight 3-0 Nebraska
133: Jordan dec Haas 6-0 Nebraska
141: Strayer maj Aleksanyan 6-4 Nebraska
149: Jenkins dec Burroughs 7-6 Penn State
157: Vallimont dec Oliver 10-6 Penn State
165: Dwyer dec Rella 10-9 Penn State
174: Browne dec Erwin 12-10 Nebraska
184: Jones dec Bomberger 15-10 Nebraska
197: Davis maj Brester 15-14 Nebraska
285: May dec Laboranti 19-14 Nebraska

Someone is going to have to steal a win for the newly #1 Nittany Lions. One of the Dave's will probably be their best bet, but it certainly doesn't look promising for them. Jenkins v. Burroughs should be the match of the dual, and Burroughs is more than capable of beating him.

Central Michigan v. Minnesota
125: Ness maj Smith 4-0 Minnesota
133: Reiter maj Beebe 8-0 Minnesota
141: Rivera maj Kruger 12-0 Minnesota
149: Schlatter dec Carter 15-0 Minnesota
157: Schlatter dec Brown 18-0 Minnesota
165: Glasser dec Stewart 21-0 Minnesota
174: Sinnott dec Dretsch 21-3 Minnesota
184: Kish dec Sinnott 24-3 Minnesota
197: Michalak maj Bronson 24-7 Minnesota
285: Gritter dec Nord/Berhow 24-10 Minnesota

Another CMU dual, another win for Minnesota. That front five is just too good. 165 is a toss, and 184 might be since Kish has been gone a while, and Sinnott always wrestles him tough. Either way, Minnesota wins with their bonuses down low.

Iowa State v. Michigan
125: Kist dec Watts 3-0 Iowa State
133: Fanthorpe maj Diehl 7-0 Iowa State
141: Russell dec Gallick 7-3 Iowa State
149: Churella dec Mueller 7-6 Iowa State
157: Sanderson dec Marsh 10-6 Iowa State
165: Tannenbaum dec Reader 10-9 Iowa State
174: Luke maj Scott 13-10 Michigan
184: Varner dec Todd 13-13
197: Bertolino dec Biondo 16-13 Iowa State
285: Zabriskie maj Bleske 20-13 Iowa State

Iowa State wins regardless. Gallick is capable of knocking off Russell. More likely though might be Biondo beating Bertolino to make it 16-13 Michigan instead after 197. Zabriskie still wins with whatever they need at heavy

Iowa v. Missouri
125: Falck dec Pescaglia 3-0 Iowa
133: Slaton dec McCormick 6-0 Iowa
141: Leclere dec Hoehn 9-0 Iowa
149: Metcalf dec Wagner 12-0 Iowa
157: Chandler dec Morningstar 12-3 Iowa
165: Perry dec Marable 15-3 Iowa
174: Borschel maj Williamson 19-3 Iowa
184: Jordan dec Keddy 19-6 Iowa
197: Askren fall Loera 19-12 Iowa
285: Fields dec Ellis 22-12 Iowa

Iowa just has too much here. Jordan, Askren, and maybe Ellis if Fields is having a lazy day might make it close, but Iowa still wins

Semi Finals
#5 Minnesota v. Nebraska
#2 Iowa v. #3 Iowa State
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Default Re: 2008 Cliff Keen National Duals Predictions/Results/Discussion

Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
Kick off predictions here with the first half of the first round. I'm doing this assuming teams wrestle their full line ups, which they likely won't, so some bout results will probably wind up being different.

Penn State v. UTC
125: McKnight dec Maldonado 3-0 Penn State
133: Haas dec Hromada 6-0 Penn State
141: Strayer dec Cody Cleveland 10-0 Penn State
149: Jenkins maj Knox 14-0 Penn State
157: Vallimont dec Garvin 17-0 Penn State
165: Rella dec Davis 20-0 Penn State
174: Rogers dec Erwin 20-3 Penn State
184: Bomberger dec Edmonson 23-3 Penn State
197: Davis maj Koz 27-3 Penn State
285: Laboranti dec Lettner 30-3 Penn State

Don't see much going well here for UTC, especially with their best guy, Koz wrestling arguably the best overall guy in the country. Penn State will probably work some back ups in, so this one might be a little closer.

Northwestern v. Nebraska
125: Donahoe dec Precin 3-0 Nebraska
133: Jordan dec Metzler 6-0 Nebraska
141: Aleksanyan dec Sulzer 9-0 Nebraska
149: Lang dec Burroughs 9-3 Nebraska
157: Oliver dec Bertin 12-3 Nebraska
165: Dwyer dec Marella 15-3 Nebraska
174: Hayes dec Browne 15-6 Nebraska
184: Jones fall Kelovic 21-6 Nebraska
197: Tamillow dec Brester 21-9 Nebraska
285: Fox dec May 21-12 Nebraska

This might be a bit more interesting than some are anticipating. Is Donahoe being back for the duals a certainty? Because either way, Precin who's been much improved this year might have a shot at knocking him off if he's carrying any mat rust. A lot will depend on what Lang winds up doing. Either way, I think the 141/149 is a split, he wins wherever, although Burroughs is more than capable of beating him. Northwestern will definitely have to avoid giving up the fall at 184 if they're going to look to steal this dual with their upperweight pair.

Minnesota v. West Virginia
125: Ness fall Turnbull 6-0 Minnesota
133: Reiter maj Anderson 10-0 Minnesota
141: Rivera maj Oravec 14-0 Minnesota
149: Schlatter dec Jauregui 17-0 Minnesota
157: Schlatter dec Fryling 20-0 Minnesota
165: Glasser dec Jones 23-0 Minnesota
174: Dretsch dec Litton 26-0 Minnesota
184: Kish dec Brenner 29-0 Minnesota
197: Villers dec Bronson 29-3 Minnesota
285: Rogers dec Nord/Berhow 29-6 Minnesota

Minnesota should run away with this one. Rivera v. Rader would have been one of the marquee match ups of the entire weekend with Manny looking for revenge from the round of 12 last year. Both Schlatters have capable opponents, but both should beat them.

Central Michigan v. Ohio State
125: Smith dec Triggas 3-0 CMU
133: Beebe dec Humphrey 6-0 CMU
141: Jaggers dec Kruger 6-3 CMU
149: Palmer dec Carter 6-6
157: Brown dec Johnstone 9-6 CMU
165: Sponseller dec Stewart 9-9
174: Sinnott dec Picazo 12-9 CMU
184: Pucillo dec Sinnott 12-12
197: Michalak fall Weakly 18-12 CMU
285: Bergman maj Gritter 18-16 CMU

This may actually be the match of the first round. As tough as CMU is, Ohio State matches up with them very, very well, and if it shakes out exactly like this it'll be really, really interesting to see JDB going out and trying to throw Bubba over for the fall. Ohio State could turn 133 the other way, but CMU could do the same at 184. If Stewart doesn't wrestle I think Sponseller majors Puckett.

1st half of the quarters
#1 Penn State v. Nebraska
#4 Central Michigan v. #5 Minnesota
I think burroughs beats lang (if he wrestles), no way haynes takes out browne. Villers can probably major bronson. Ohio vs cmu is the best match of the opening round by FAR, I see 125, 133, 149, 165, and 184 as all potentially going either way. Is their a reason grayson isnt in at 157? Btw if bergman majors gritter I will eat my socks.

Penn Vs Nebraska
125: Donahoe dec mcknight 3-0 Nebaska
133: Jorda dec Haas (md possible) 6-0
141: Strayer MD aleksyan 6-4
149: Burroughs dec jenkins (what a matchup!) 9-4
157: Vallimont dec Oliver (could go either way) 9-7
165: Dwyer dec Rella 12-7
174: Browne dec erwin 15-7
184: Jones dec bomberger 18-7
197: Davis MD brester 18-10
HVY: Laboranti dec may 18-13

A couple of matches could either way but I dont see penn state winning this, kind of bums me out that NE PSU and MN got put on the same side ofr the bracket, because both semis will be rematches now, I would have liked to see NE vs iowa or PSU vs ISU or something like that, teams that probably wont meet this season.

Im sure it'll end up Iowa vs ISU in the semis and NE vs Minny.
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2nd Half

Iowa State v. Hofstra
125: Tomasette maj Kist 4-0 Hofstra
133: Ruggirello dec Fanthorpe 7-0 Hofstra
141: Griffin dec Gallick 10-0 Hofstra
149: Mueller dec Smith 10-3 Hofstra
157: Sanderson maj Bowman 10-7 Hofstra
165: Reader maj Patrovich 11-10 Iowa State
174: Lucas dec Scott 13-11 Hofstra
184: Varner fall Danz 17-13 Iowa State
197: Rovelli dec Bertolino 17-16 Iowa State
285: Zabriskie tech Guerin 22-16 Iowa State

Wound up a little closer than I would have originally thought just on paper. Iowa State has shots at 133, and 141 to make it an even bigger gap. Maybe Tomasette doesn't get bonus, maybe Lucas does.

Michigan v. Northern Iowa
125: Flores dec Watts 3-0 UNI
133: Washington dec Diehl 6-0 UNI
141: Russell dec Ettleson 6-3 UNI
149: Churella maj Ettleson 7-6 Michigan
157: Marsh dec Beets 10-6 Michigan
165: Tannenbaum dec Fay 13-6 Michigan
174: Luke dec Dolly 16-6 Michigan
184: Todd maj O'Loughlin 20-6 Michigan
197: Biondo dec Anderson 23-6 Michigan
285: Bleske dec Bauman 26-6 Michigan

UNI has shots here at 125, 133, 197, and 285. Michigan has shots there too. This one could be a close one, or it could be a whitewashing. Either way, Michigan's middle six carry them here.

Missouri v. Indiana
125: Escobedo maj Pescaglia 4-0 Indiana
133: Hernandez dec McCormick 7-0 Indiana
141: Hoehn dec Warren 7-3 Indiana
149: Wagner maj Kinser 7-7
157: Becker dec Chandler 10-7 Indiana
165: Marable dec Coughlin 10-10
174: Perry dec Williamson 13-10 Indiana
184: Jordan dec Bennett 13-13
197: Askren fall Faggiano 19-13 Missouri
285: Ellis dec Kuhn 22-13 Missouri

Another one with some good match ups. McCormick has been gone for while, and then almost got majored by Marble from Bucknell in his first go round back. Marable and Coughlin should be a good one, match up of two top 5 guys. Indiana would get a huge boost if Perry could throw whoever Missouri puts out at 174 for bonuses or the fall. That top end though for Missouri is just too good I think.

Iowa v. Cornell
125: Falck maj Perelli 4-0 Iowa
133: Slaton dec Grey 7-0 Iowa
141: Leclere dec McGill 10-0 Iowa
149: Metcalf maj Frey 14-0 Iowa
157: Leen dec Morningstar 14-3 Iowa
165: Perry dec Lewnes 17-3 Iowa
174: Anceravage dec Borschel 17-6 Iowa
184: Keddy maj Moore 21-6 Iowa
197: Panasevich dec Loera 21-9 Iowa
285: Fields dec Hammond 24-9 Iowa

A lot in this one probably depends on the health of the Cornell guys, they won't win, but if a lot of their guys are out this one could get ugly. Slaton v. Grey could go either way. I think Metcalf wears Frey out if he wrestles at 149, and gets the major, and Leclere might get him if Frey sucks down to 141. Perry v. Lewnes depends on which Perry shows up. Borschel might get Anceravage.

Quarterfinals
#1 Penn State v. Nebraska
#4 Central Michigan v. #5 Minnesota
#3 Iowa State v. #6 Michigan
#2 Iowa v. #7 Missouri
Agree with these pretty much entirely except I think grey takes slaton at 133 and borschel takes anceravage at 174 for cornell vs IA. word on the street is mizzo is not 100% and will be missing at least 1 starter.
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Steve Brown, and Grayson have been alternating in and out at 157, Grayson wrestled against Hofstra and Edinboro, so it may wind up being him.

Semi's
Minnesota v. Nebraska
125: Ness dec Donahoe 3-0 Minnesota
133: Reiter dec Jordan 6-0 Minnesota
141: Rivera maj Aleksanyan 10-0 Minnesota
149: Schlatter dec Burroughs 13-0 Minnesota
157: Schlatter dec Oliver 16-0 Minnesota
165: Glasser dec Dwyer 19-0 Minnesota
174: Browne dec Dretsch 19-3 Minnesota
184: Kish dec Jones 22-3 Minnesota
197: Brester dec Bronson 22-6 Minnesota
285: May dec Nord/Berhow 22-9 Minnesota

Ness and Donahoe will be one of the best of the weekend. Ness is still 2-1 against him for their careers, and he's been absolutely on fire recently. Does Donahoe still have the mojo that he wrestled with at the All Star? We'll have to see. Mack has been wrestling great recently, I think he avoids the dumb early takedown he gave up last time and wins an easier decision. Manny will do what he does. Dustin and CP should take care of business. Glasser gift wrapped that match to Dwyer last time, I think he comes with things a little better together, or maybe J sends out Saf since Glasser has been out recently, and Saf beat Dwyer solidly last year. Browne will probably beat Dretsch, Kish will probably beat Jones. I didn't give Brester the bonus point because he wouldn't have gotten it last time if Bronson hadn't gotten stupid and gotten 5 pointed late. Heavys still aren't coming along quite as expected, and May is good.

Iowa v. Iowa State
125: Falck maj Kist 4-0 Iowa
133: Slaton dec Fanthorpe 7-0 Iowa
141: Gallick dec Leclere 7-3 Iowa
149: Metcalf dec Mueller 10-3 Iowa
157: Sanderson dec Morningstar 10-6 Iowa
165: Perry dec Reader 13-6 Iowa
174: Borschel maj Scott 17-6 Iowa
184: Varner dec Keddy 17-9 Iowa
197: Bertolino maj Loera 17-13 Iowa
285: Zabriskie dec Fields 17-16 Iowa

This is going to be a close one. I think Iowa wins regardless, though, as I've turned two bouts over to Iowa State from last time just on hunches, and Iowa still comes out the winner. They just have a little too much.

Finals: Minnesota v. Iowa
3rd Place: Iowa State v. Nebraska
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