2008 Cliff Keen National Duals Predictions/Results/Discussion

goferphan · 01-13-2008, 12:46 AM

What are you right about? I don't recall there being a run of people jumping on Bergman's bandwagon. Bergman has settled the argument that he certainly belongs in the argument. He started out at #5 and certainly has shown he deserves #2.

goferphan · 01-13-2008, 12:47 AM

Dlagnev hasn't proven to me that he can hold up under an entire year's worth of D1 duals. If he was facing the quality of opponents that some of these other guys did day in and day out, he would have 1-4 losses a year I think. This year that would still keep him in the running for #1.

goferphan · 01-13-2008, 12:47 AM

Has Dlagnev even finished a tournament this year?

goldengopher · 01-13-2008, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by goferphan

125 Ness d Donahoe 3-0 Minny (It could happen)
133 Reiter d Jordan 6-0 Minny
141 Rivera md Mike Rowe 10-0 Minny
149 Burroughs md Mellmer 10-4 Minny (Could be 6 for NU)
157 C.P. d Oliver 10-7 Minny (this will be at most a three point match, close)
165 Dwyer d Safratowich 10-10 (could go to Minny as well, Saf going well)
174 Dretsch d Browne 13-10 (Gabe wrestling well)
184 Kish d Jones 16-10 Minny (Kish owns victories w Jones, still close)
197 Brester md Bronson 16-14 Minny (Bronson NEEDs to stay off of his back)
Hwt Malamura v May 17-16 Minny (Could happen, we will see)

If Ness loses:
125 Donahoe d Ness 3-0 NU (toss-up as usual)
133 Reiter d Jordan 3-3 (Reiter's tank is full, looking good)
141 Rivera md Mike Rowe 7-3 Minny (gonna need bonus here)
149 Burroughs md Mellmer 7-6 Minny (could be six for NU)
157 C.P. d Oliver 7-9 NU (C.P. has to own this)
165 Saf d Dwyer 10-9 Minny (possible, Saf was once as high as #7)
174 Dretsch d Browne 13-9 Minny
184 Kish d Jones 16-9 Minny
197 Brester d Bronson 16-12 Minny
Hwt May d Malamura 16-15 Minny

Let me say this, with DS out, this is a TALL task for Minny and I think you have to favor Nebraska. We will see how J Rob can get his troops pumped up to wrestle. Bonus points will be scarce I am afraid. I do have to admit that the way that Iowa looked yesterday it may be all for naught.

I really like the way that Bronson and Malamura wrestled today. They showed alot of guts and have gone from looking like those weights would be giving up 6-12 every meet to possibly looking like they could even split in some duals. That will help out alot.

Brother Gofer,

The math doesn't add up in either it should look like this:

Scenario 1
Ness d 3-0
Rieter d 6-0
Rivera md 10-0
Burroughs md 10-4
CP d 13-4
Dwyer d 13-7
Dretsch d 16-7
Kish d 19-7
Brester md 19-11
May d 19-14

Scenario 2
Donohoe d 0-3
Reiter d 3-3
Rivera md 3-7
Burroughs md 7-7
CP d 7-10
Saf d 7-13
Dretsch d 7-16
Kish d 7-19
Brester d 10-19
May d 13-19

Either way it looks good but we need to win all the tossups. I posted in another link and had us losing 17-16 but am obviously hoping for one of your two scenarios.

Schlottke · 01-13-2008, 12:53 AM

youre mellmer MD, you only gave him 3.

LoSt · 01-13-2008, 01:11 AM

Im calling the gophers in this one 18-14.

Ness over d-hoe
Reiter over jordan
Manny over rowe
Burroughs MD mellmer
Cp over oliver
Saf over dwyer
Browne over dretsch (I might as well flip a coin, and then pick the opposite of what it comes up)
Kish over jones
Brester MD bronson?
May dec yura

On paper nebraska is a definite favorite with no dustin, but I think that minnesota can win this. Im super incredibly bummed that I dont get to watch this...

LoSt · 01-13-2008, 01:13 AM

Disagree dllagnev has almost majored fox and sauer he's a class above his competition.

JensenS · 01-13-2008, 01:34 AM

Saf beat Dwyer handily last year, obviously things may change, but I think you have to favor Saf. He almost majored him last year.

JensenS · 01-13-2008, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by LoSt

I told you guys this at the start of the year... but you were all like no, bergman PWNS. Man I sure love bein right

I've been saying all year...look it up.

Overall: Dlagnev
D1: (Might not have brought it all yet) Bergman

LoSt · 01-13-2008, 02:49 AM

Liar jensens. You said bergman would beat dllagnev, or at least you gave him a very good chance.

I was the one who said dllagnev outclasses every current D1 heavy and would breeze through nationals

2008 Cliff Keen National Duals Predictions/Results/Discussion

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