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    Is it just me or was that a pretty embaressing showing? I think they gave up bonus points in every single match except for anceravage (who was favored on paper), they forfeit a weight where they have a top 10 guy, they dont put another top 10 guy in the lineup (leen). Two of the 3 matches they win come from Super freshman that got redshirted the cornell way. If they take their wrestling serious enough to bend the Ivy rules on redshirts why dont they take it serious enough to compete?

    I'm seriously starting to think that the Ivies think the regular season is like a Joke and doesnt mean squat because half the time they dont even show up to wrestle. Like someone over at the mat said, its one thing to prioritize the post season its another thing to not give two shits about anything that happens before the ncaa tourney.

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    They have some injuries right now and the reality is this match doesn't hold a lot of importance. Because of Ivy rules and the difficulty with redshirting even if it's medical, doesn't allow Koll to take as many risks. Personally, I'd rather see these guys wrestle post season than to further aggrevate an injury in earlier January that results in a season ending. This isn't post-season and this isn't an Ivy match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezra View Post
    They have some injuries right now and the reality is this match doesn't hold a lot of importance. Because of Ivy rules and the difficulty with redshirting even if it's medical, doesn't allow Koll to take as many risks. Personally, I'd rather see these guys wrestle post season than to further aggrevate an injury in earlier January that results in a season ending. This isn't post-season and this isn't an Ivy match.
    So what? When ivies wrestle ivies it doesnt count? Are you guys just that much better then the rest of us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezra View Post
    They have some injuries right now and the reality is this match doesn't hold a lot of importance. Because of Ivy rules and the difficulty with redshirting even if it's medical, doesn't allow Koll to take as many risks. Personally, I'd rather see these guys wrestle post season than to further aggrevate an injury in earlier January that results in a season ending. This isn't post-season and this isn't an Ivy match.
    That's what I've seen as well. Ivy coaches don't take many risks, and there isn't a lot of depth. Nevertheless, they get some really talented guys who leveraged their wrestling abilities for admission to an elite school.

    But how you wrestle during the season is directly related to how you wrestle during the tournaments. You can't expect many wrestlers to spend all season nursing injuries, and then perform to AA levels during the national tourney. The best wrestlers improve over the season as they find a groove. And if you want to be the best, you have to wrestle the best.

    Is it my imagination, or do Ivy wrestlers seem to get a lot of injuries?

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    Ivy guys sit out at least twice as often as guys from other confrences, if not more. I dont know if they get injured any more often honestly but they seem to sit out whenever they stub a toe.

    So far IVY guys that have missed matches (and these are just top ranked guys from harvard and cornell!!)

    Nickerson (ok season ending injury obviously no ones fault)
    Frey
    Leen
    Flanagan
    Preston
    Arnone (Another season ending injury is what I heard, no ones fault here either)
    Jantzen
    O'connor

    I mean cmon, are IVY wrestlers more fragile or something? Maybe reading all those books makes them soft.

    THe only IVY guys I dont think have missed matches so far this year are Hammond and Caputo, thats like 2 guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoSt View Post
    Ivy guys sit out at least twice as often as guys from other confrences, if not more. I dont know if they get injured any more often honestly but they seem to sit out whenever they stub a toe.

    So far IVY guys that have missed matches (and these are just top ranked guys from harvard and cornell!!)

    Nickerson (ok season ending injury obviously no ones fault)
    Frey
    Leen
    Flanagan
    Preston
    Arnone (Another season ending injury is what I heard, no ones fault here either)
    Jantzen
    O'connor

    I mean cmon, are IVY wrestlers more fragile or something? Maybe reading all those books makes them soft.

    THe only IVY guys I dont think have missed matches so far this year are Hammond and Caputo, thats like 2 guys.
    Preston wasn't in school this semester because he only has one semester of NCAA eligibility left. So he hasn't been sitting out due to injury, he has been out since he opted to use his last semester of eligibility for the latter half of the season so he could compete at NCAAs.

    Harvard usually finishes with exams in late January (finals for first semester are after winter break) so hopefully we should see him back in the line up as soon as spring semester starts.

    And I have also noticed that the injury rate is higher. I wish I had a good answer for why. Harvard had 3 AAs last year at NCAAs, and that was without Bode and Flanagan in the line up. It opens up the door for all those "what could have been" thoughts. I'm hoping everyone can stay healthy in the post season this year.

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    You guys really like to bitch and complain don't you? If Koll wrestled his guys and they aggravated an injury and it affected their performance at nationals you'd be bitching that they shouldn't have wrestled them in a dual in early January.

    No one remembers who won the Cornell vs. Penn State dual, but they will remember who finished higher at nationals. Nationals is what you are remembered by, not a dual in early January.
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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    This is true about preston I should know as he's on my team, and there for are definitely guys who get legitely injured in the ivies way more often then would seem to be the norm (nickerson arnone, bode, ect).

    I guess Im just frustrated because they dont seem to care about any wrestling before ncaas. Then that cornell fan comes on here and says it doesnt matter because its not an "ivy league match" wtf is that supposed to mean?

    Its two top teams wrestling each other theres no excuse for forfeiting weights, you cant tell me cornell doesnt have at least 1 backup per weight because they have a 34 man roster and 4 guys listed at 149 not including frey.

    To bring a guy with and have him warm up with the team and weigh in but then forfeit a match and not have him wrestle just because you dont think you can win the dual is just stupid, if he's hurt that bad then bring a backup, if he's not then have him wrestle. Leen sat out but at least they put in hovis to get schooled, even if its not the match the fans want to see at least its a match.

    Maybe Im singling out the Ivies too much but it just seems like they do this kind of stuff way more then any other teams, I was just as mad when brands decided not to have fields wrestle konrad last year, but at least that makes a little more sense considering NO one wanted to wrestle conrad and the last time fields did he blew his knee out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    You guys really like to bitch and complain don't you? If Koll wrestled his guys and they aggravated an injury and it affected their performance at nationals you'd be bitching that they shouldn't have wrestled them in a dual in early January.

    No one remembers who won the Cornell vs. Penn State dual, but they will remember who finished higher at nationals. Nationals is what you are remembered by, not a dual in early January.
    I don't question Koll's judgment on letting injured wrestlers heal. But saving it all for the tourney gets you what? Inexperienced wrestlers? If duals don't matter, then don't wrestle them.

    We're just commenting that some schools seem to get more injuries than others.

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