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Thread: Best at 133, 2000 to 2013

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    Default Best at 133, 2000 to 2013

    Putting this weight thing into separate threads so if someone wants to contribute to 125, they can do it there, and if they want to talk 133, they do it here. And, it looks like 133 will need its own thread because it is a hard weight to rank. Here are the champs:
    2000,1-Eric Juergens
    2002,3-Johnny Thompson
    2004-Zach Roberson
    2005-Travis Lee
    2006,7-Matt Valenti
    2008-Coleman Scott
    2009-Franklin Gomez
    2010-Jayson Ness
    2011-Jordan Oliver
    2012,13-Logan Stieber

    In this list you have six 2x champs (Lee also winning at 125, Oliver at 149) which makes more 2xers than 1xers in this weight. Problem is, the 1x champs here are lethal wrestlers as well. There does not seem to be a weak or 'fluke' guy here. I know all the guys here pretty well so here it goes: (1) Logan Stieber (2013) - Dominant in every position and 2 for 2 in his finals including against: (2) Jordan Oliver - Technique along with pinning power. Equally as dominant in every position as Stieber. (3) Travis Lee - Explosive and never ran out of gas. Probably the biggest tank of these 133ers and due to this I think he could beat either of the top 2 but I put him here b/c he didn't bonus quite as much as those guys. (4) Johnny Thompson - 3x finalist and a clutch guy. The one guy I may have overrated, but I liked his style. (5) Jayson Ness - May have been the best pinner on this list but not quite as good as the top guys in neutral. (6) Eric Juergens - The guy I am afraid I underrated. As a senior, beat Johnny Thompson when he was a freshman in a tight match but I think an older Thompson beats him. Had to put Ness over him due to Ness' pinning power.

    (7) through (10) fall into the lower ranks not by their own shortcomings but due to the excellence of (1) through (6); 133 may be the best overall weight since 2000. (7) Zach Roberson - Seemed like a big, physical 133 to me and I remember some nasty riding from him. (8) Matt Valenti - Another guy I am afraid I underrated. Explosive on his feet but seems like his brackets were a little weaker the years he won, not his fault but have to take it into account. (9) Coleman Scott - Nasty on his feet but seemed a little lapse-prone and beatable at times. (10) Franklin Gomez - Hate to put him here but I think this is where he goes during his college days. He is world-class now so good for him.

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    Default Re: Best at 133, 2000 to 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    Putting this weight thing into separate threads so if someone wants to contribute to 125, they can do it there, and if they want to talk 133, they do it here. And, it looks like 133 will need its own thread because it is a hard weight to rank. Here are the champs:
    2000,1-Eric Juergens
    2002,3-Johnny Thompson
    2004-Zach Roberson
    2005-Travis Lee
    2006,7-Matt Valenti
    2008-Coleman Scott
    2009-Franklin Gomez
    2010-Jayson Ness
    2011-Jordan Oliver
    2012,13-Logan Stieber
    1. Valenti
    2. Oliver
    3. Ness
    4. Scott
    5. Gomez
    6. Stieber (the only reason I have him not at number 1 is that he's still competing).
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    Default Re: Best at 133, 2000 to 2013

    Amazing weight never really thought of if but has any other weight had the success internationally as this one with 2 World/Olympic medalist in the last 5 years???

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    Default Re: Best at 133, 2000 to 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    Putting this weight thing into separate threads so if someone wants to contribute to 125, they can do it there, and if they want to talk 133, they do it here. And, it looks like 133 will need its own thread because it is a hard weight to rank. Here are the champs:
    2000,1-Eric Juergens
    2002,3-Johnny Thompson
    2004-Zach Roberson
    2005-Travis Lee
    2006,7-Matt Valenti
    2008-Coleman Scott
    2009-Franklin Gomez
    2010-Jayson Ness
    2011-Jordan Oliver
    2012,13-Logan Stieber

    Steiber ('13)
    Oliver
    Scott
    Lee
    Thompson ('03)
    Jurgens ('01)
    Ness
    Valenti ('07)
    Gomez
    Roberson

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    Default Re: Best at 133, 2000 to 2013

    I'll stick to top 5:

    1. Oliver--I feel he won it last year, which would have made him a 3-timer and the most Stieber could be then would be a 3-timer
    2. Stieber
    3. Thompson
    4. Juergens
    5. Lee

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    Default Re: Best at 133, 2000 to 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by RD149-2 View Post
    Amazing weight never really thought of if but has any other weight had the success internationally as this one with 2 World/Olympic medalist in the last 5 years???
    Not a great comparision as it is very unlikely that any other weight has more than one person able to compete at an event since 10 weights are compressed to seven and almost everyone competes for the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomWright25 View Post
    I'll stick to top 5:

    1. Oliver--I feel he won it last year, which would have made him a 3-timer and the most Stieber could be then would be a 3-timer
    Wanted to make this call, but I had to go by the results. I don't think the real Oliver showed up to the finals match against Stieber and I thought Oliver was better that year. BUT, I think that the 2013 Stieber beats the 2012 Oliver in a close match. These two are about as even as it gets at this weight.

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    Default Re: Best at 133, 2000 to 2013

    Yes, we are looking at two excellent wrestlers at the same weight. Much like Taylor/Dake this year, Steiber/Oliver might be one of those 'all-timers' match-ups.
    I firmly, solidly believe that if they wrestled 10 times, Oliver wins 8. But...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    1. Valenti
    2. Oliver
    3. Ness
    4. Scott
    5. Gomez
    6. Stieber (the only reason I have him not at number 1 is that he's still competing).
    Far be it from me to criticize someones picks when I've made none..but...Valenti!? Explain good sir!
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