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    Default Best at theirweight, 2000 to 2013

    Since it has been like a morgue in here, I am taking it upon myself to provide a temporary diversion with a bit of a game. Rank the champions in each weight class for each year from 2000 to 2013. The idea is not to rank them based on the whole of their career, but rather by the level they were at when they won their championship (or for multiple time winners, the year they were at their peak). Starting at the little guys, the champions at 125 from 2000 to 2012 are:

    2000-Jeremy Hunter
    2001,2,-Stephen Abas
    2003-Travis Lee
    2004-Jason Powell
    2005,6-Joe Dubuque
    2007-Paul Donahoe
    2008-Angel Escobedo
    2009-Troy Nickerson
    2010,12-Matt McDonough
    2011-Anthony Robles
    2013-Jesse Delgado

    Rank these guys from top to bottom (as none of these guys could truly deserve to be called 'best' or 'worst').
    My shot at this: (1) Abas from 2002- gotta think he figures out Robles somehow. Speed, technique, toughness. (2) Robles-made some tough dudes look like little boys this year (3) Dubuque in 2006-strong, seasoned, confident. I know he lost some matches this year but by the time the tourney came around he was clutch.
    Now, It gets hard. Some of the remaining guys were pretty dominant the year they won. There is sure to generate some pretty strong disagreements and there are a few guys I don't know much about but here it goes (4) McD. Hard to say if he was better in '12 than '10 but I will give the 2012 version the edge based on experience. At his peak he was very tough to beat. Other than Abas the only 3x finalist. (5) Troy Nickerson 2009-Awesome technique and developed some strength to help himself out. Beat Escobedo and Donahoe, champs the previous two years. This year was a pretty nasty bracket. (6) Angel Escobedo 2008-Very nasty in 2008, quick, explosive and torquey. I recall being very confident that nobody would beat him this year. (7) Travis Lee 2003 - I think he was better at 133, much more power and explosion. His bracket this year did not have a lot of big names. (8) Paul Donahoe 2007-tough dude but so is everyone else on this list. Maybe an underrated guy. (9) Jeremy Hunter-Don't know much about him but have seen some Youtube matches and didn't see anything to make me think he'd be able to beat the guys at the top of the list. (10) Jason Powell-Steamrolled the tournament in 2004 in very impressive fashion. Another guy I don't know really well but I did see he had two losses this year. (11) Jesse Delgato-Maybe I am selling him short b/c he improved a ton this year but I think had McD been healthy, he isn't on this list. I don't see him beating the bigger guys or technicians like Nickerson.

    This was harder than I thought it would be; I had to jockey some guys around a bit and there are two guys (Hunter and Powell) I don't know very well. It is tough to rank guys that all could beat each other on any given day. 133 is going to be awful, somebody else take that one please.

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    Default Re: Best at theirweight, 2000 to 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    Since it has been like a morgue in here, I am taking it upon myself to provide a temporary diversion with a bit of a game. Rank the champions in each weight class for each year from 2000 to 2013. The idea is not to rank them based on the whole of their career, but rather by the level they were at when they won their championship (or for multiple time winners, the year they were at their peak). Starting at the little guys, the champions at 125 from 2000 to 2012 are:

    2000-Jeremy Hunter
    2001,2,-Stephen Abas
    2003-Travis Lee
    2004-Jason Powell
    2005,6-Joe Dubuque
    2007-Paul Donahoe
    2008-Angel Escobedo
    2009-Troy Nickerson
    2010,12-Matt McDonough
    2011-Anthony Robles
    2013-Jesse Delgado
    I didn't really start following wrestling again much until 2007, but I'll give it a shot.
    1. Robles, he was a man on a mission his sr year and I'm not sure anyone beats him. He beat a very tough McDonough in the finals.
    2. McDonough
    3. Nickerson
    4. Escobedo
    5. Donahoe
    6. Delgado

    I really don't know anything about the other four, I know that Abas should be up there very high but if I'm not going to rank the other four I'll leave Abas off the list as well.
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    Default Re: Best at theirweight, 2000 to 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    I didn't really start following wrestling again much until 2007, but I'll give it a shot.
    1. Robles, he was a man on a mission his sr year and I'm not sure anyone beats him. He beat a very tough McDonough in the finals.
    2. McDonough
    3. Nickerson
    4. Escobedo
    5. Donahoe
    6. Delgado

    I really don't know anything about the other four, I know that Abas should be up there very high but if I'm not going to rank the other four I'll leave Abas off the list as well.
    As you say, very tough to do over a decade not wrestling similar opponents. I can't do a full time, but I'll give a top 5. One huge factor is whether a wrestler had wrestled Robles before or not. If they hadn't then I would put Robles #1. If they had, then some others may be able to take him. So, if it's their first match: #1 Robles. If not first match then:

    1. Abas
    2. Nickerson
    3. Robles
    4. McD (if he's healthy of course)
    5. DuBuque

    Delgado is too early in his career to say.

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    Default Re: Best at theirweight, 2000 to 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by TomWright25 View Post
    ... One huge factor is whether a wrestler had wrestled Robles before or not. If they hadn't then I would put Robles #1. If they had, then some others may be able to take him. So, if it's their first match: #1 Robles. If not first match then:...
    While this makes logical sense, there isn't any evidence that I know of this happening. Wrestlers did not tend to lose the first time they face Robles and then beat him once they figured out how to wrestle him. By his Senior year he was the one making adjustments and doing better aginst guys the more he wrestled them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    While this makes logical sense, there isn't any evidence that I know of this happening. Wrestlers did not tend to lose the first time they face Robles and then beat him once they figured out how to wrestle him. By his Senior year he was the one making adjustments and doing better aginst guys the more he wrestled them.
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    Default Re: Best at theirweight, 2000 to 2013

    Donahoe is definitely #1 in the inappropriate dong photo category. In all seriousness, this is a great idea for a thread, hopefully I'll get some time tomorrow to list it out. I'm taking Abas at #1 and I'll go from there.

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    Default Re: Best at theirweight, 2000 to 2013

    I love the idea of the thread, though here is what I expect:

    With rare exceptions, the earlier champs will be rated lower by us today.


    Having had a really good view of Hunter, he was really good his senior year. I'd put him above McD I, based on his offensive skill and his experience, but not McD II (because he was so strong in every phase of wrestling, and yes, I think losing to Robles made him a little bit better than winning).

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    Default Re: Best at theirweight, 2000 to 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    I love the idea of the thread, though here is what I expect:

    With rare exceptions, the earlier champs will be rated lower by us today.

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    You could be right, but three of us have already chosen Abas as the best.

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    Default Re: Best at theirweight, 2000 to 2013

    Abas. And then I'd have to go Esco... with a good shoulder, I'm speculating, but he might be my #1

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