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    No wonder he hasnt been canned.

    Rutgers leadership is the creepiest bunch of losers fathomable.

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    Not sure why this is in the college wrestling thread but I agree completely. Hopefully he'll never coach at any level again, he was just canned this morning. The AD should be next, what an idiot. Too many athletic departments have lost track of what it all means to be a student-athlete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    Hopefully he'll never coach at any level again, he was just canned this morning. The AD should be next, what an idiot.
    Thanks for paying attention to everything reported and omitted by ESPN.

    1. When presented with the tape of the practices back in October...Pernetti wanted to fire Rice but had to work through the Rutgers General Counsel' Office and Human Resources to do so since Rice was under contract.

    Pernetti followed to a T University policy on harassment.

    2. An Assistant General Counsel at Rutgers called in outside counsel for consultation.

    3. RU Human Resources, the General Counsel's Office and outside counsel ALL viewed the tape.

    4. The consensus of opinion RU Human Resources, the General Counsel's Office and outside counsel was that Rutgers HR policy did not enable termination for cause. Pernetti wanted authority to fire Rice, he didn't get it. Keep in mind that Rutgers is a public institution and there are certain "property rights" of employment (more or less statutory job entitlement benefits that a public employee "owns" their job which makes it difficult to fire employees) that prevented his firing without repercussion of a wrongful termination lawsuit.

    5. RU Human Resources and General Counsel's Office prevented Pernetti from firing Rice back in November.

    6. University President and Pernetti abided by direction given by RU General Counsels office. It is the main reason the President did not immediately view the DVD. He followed advice of Counsel.

    No AD, not even a University President will act contrary to advice of legal counsel.

    7. Pernetti falls as scapegoat in the aftermath. Most unfortunate since Pernetti was a staunch wrestling supporter.

    Oh, by the way, what you have not heard from ESPN....the Assistant General Counsel at Rutgers that misadvised Pernetti....he too got canned this week and well before Pernetti resigned...but you'll never hear about it from ESPN, he's not a story since it justifies Pernetti's actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Thanks for paying attention to everything reported and omitted by ESPN.

    1. When presented with the tape of the practices back in October...Pernetti wanted to fire Rice but had to work through the Rutgers General Counsel' Office and Human Resources to do so since Rice was under contract.

    Pernetti followed to a T University policy on harassment.

    2. An Assistant General Counsel at Rutgers called in outside counsel for consultation.

    3. RU Human Resources, the General Counsel's Office and outside counsel ALL viewed the tape.

    4. The consensus of opinion RU Human Resources, the General Counsel's Office and outside counsel was that Rutgers HR policy did not enable termination for cause. Pernetti wanted authority to fire Rice, he didn't get it. Keep in mind that Rutgers is a public institution and there are certain "property rights" of employment (more or less statutory job entitlement benefits that a public employee "owns" their job which makes it difficult to fire employees) that prevented his firing without repercussion of a wrongful termination lawsuit.

    5. RU Human Resources and General Counsel's Office prevented Pernetti from firing Rice back in November.

    6. University President and Pernetti abided by direction given by RU General Counsels office. It is the main reason the President did not immediately view the DVD. He followed advice of Counsel.

    No AD, not even a University President will act contrary to advice of legal counsel.

    7. Pernetti falls as scapegoat in the aftermath. Most unfortunate since Pernetti was a staunch wrestling supporter.

    Oh, by the way, what you have not heard from ESPN....the Assistant General Counsel at Rutgers that misadvised Pernetti....he too got canned this week and well before Pernetti resigned...but you'll never hear about it from ESPN, he's not a story since it justifies Pernetti's actions.
    So most of what you're saying is completely contradicting Pernetti's own words, you do realize that right? He owned up to not firing him stating he wanted to "rehabilitate" and said he takes full responsibility for that decision. So either he's lying, or your story is wrong.
    Interesting that this "authority" to fire him was somehow granted to Rutgers after the press got ahold of the tape. Someone is very sleazy up there and this was a total fiasco and indicative of poor leadership.

    Are you actually attempting to tell me that Rutgers couldn't can him for calling the STUDENTS He's supposed to Coach(i.e. lead) homophobic slurs in addition to hitting, kicking, shoving and chucking balls at them point blank then I'm once again baffled that I took time to explain this to someone who drinks more all the Kool Aid that Rutgers can produce.

    So yeah, I'm calling 100% B.S. on the "property rights" preventing him from being fired..
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    So most of what you're saying is completely contradicting Pernetti's own words, you do realize that right? He owned up to not firing him stating he wanted to "rehabilitate" and said he takes full responsibility for that decision. So either he's lying, or your story is wrong.
    Initially he wanted to fire Rice, but was blocked by the General Counsel and HR. He went along with rehabilitation. By the way, there was not a single recurrence with Rice after he attended behavior management.

    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Interesting that this "authority" to fire him was somehow granted to Rutgers after the press got ahold of the tape. Someone is very sleazy up there and this was a total fiasco and indicative of poor leadership.
    Pernetti didn't fire him the Pres gave the word.

    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Are you actually attempting to tell me that Rutgers couldn't can him for calling the STUDENTS He's supposed to Coach(i.e. lead) homophobic slurs in addition to hitting, kicking, shoving and chucking balls at them point blank then I'm once again baffled that I took time to explain this to someone who drinks more all the Kool Aid that Rutgers can produce.
    Yes and in this day and age, no AD fires someone prior to end of a contract without advice of legal counsel, internal or external. ....And no AD acts contradictory to the advice........sole reason the top attorney at Rutgers was fired.....before Pernetti resigned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop the Nuts View Post
    "The report also made clear that Mr. Pernetti, who has said publicly that he initially wanted to fire Mr. Rice, would have been well within his legal rights to do so. “We believe that A.D. Pernetti could reasonably determine that Coach Rice’s actions tended to embarrass and bring shame to Rutgers in violation of Coach Rice’s employment contract,” it said."
    He may have been within his legal right to do so as AD, but not within his University authority. That required approval of the General Counsel. And, it was General Counsel that was fired, not an Assistant Counsel in the office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Yes and in this day and age, no AD fires someone prior to end of a contract without advice of legal counsel, internal or external. ....And no AD acts contradictory to the advice........sole reason the top attorney at Rutgers was fired.....before Pernetti resigned.
    In that case, almost no football coach would ever be fired, because they nearly always have "rolling contracts" that automatically extend themselves for recruiting purposes.

    What this sounds like is Pernetti wanted to fire Rice "for cause", to try to get out of paying Rice the rest of his salary, by saying Rice breached his contract somehow with his behavior, but was unwilling to fire Rice and keep paying him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Initially he wanted to fire Rice, but was blocked by the General Counsel and HR. He went along with rehabilitation. By the way, there was not a single recurrence with Rice after he attended behavior management.



    Pernetti didn't fire him the Pres gave the word.



    Yes and in this day and age, no AD fires someone prior to end of a contract without advice of legal counsel, internal or external. ....And no AD acts contradictory to the advice........sole reason the top attorney at Rutgers was fired.....before Pernetti resigned.



    He may have been within his legal right to do so as AD, but not within his University authority. That required approval of the General Counsel. And, it was General Counsel that was fired, not an Assistant Counsel in the office.
    All I know is Rutgers leadership is awful somewhere. If it's not Pernetti, oh well. He's far from blameless. You'll never convince me otherwise.

    I'm glad that after Rice got caught, he stopped abusing students. But let's be real, he had to or he was done. People will do lots of thingss to keep their jobs. It wasn't as though Rice had some epiphinay about the error of his ways and changed his behavior because he knew it was wrong. He got caught, and shaped up so he wouldn't get fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post


    Yes and in this day and age, no AD fires someone prior to end of a contract without advice of legal counsel, internal or external. ....And no AD acts contradictory to the advice........sole reason the top attorney at Rutgers was fired.....before Pernetti resigned.



    He may have been within his legal right to do so as AD, but not within his University authority. That required approval of the General Counsel. And, it was General Counsel that was fired, not an Assistant Counsel in the office.
    I'm afraid there is probably a lot of truth to this. When someone is under contract (they do go both ways) and there is interest in terminating for something legal/procedural (for lack of a better term), it almost becomes harder to fire someone. When you get into federal and state employment contracts, things become much more difficult (it sound like he was being treated as a state employee. If not, this doesn't apply). To terminate someone in that scenario, a crap load of procedures need to be followed, or it is almost a guarantee that there will be a (successful) wrongful termination suit.

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    Because Scott Goodale is a college wrestling coach. Ive wondered how he maintains employment with such poor results. Apparently Rutgers tolerates not only poor results but poor treatment of players.

    Im sure Goodale is a good guy, but he consistently does the least with the most. Administrators are clearly clueless and have horrific judgement.
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