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    About half of his finals match against Tom Ryan is on youtube as well and it is a pretty tough scrap. Smith's technique (low-single) was superior, which carried him through. Ryan was very active and very physical in this match but it appears that Pat deserved the win. To me, these two looked to be pretty big 150 pounders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    ...To me, these two looked to be pretty big 150 pounders.
    Good eye... in fact they were so big that they actually had to wrestle 158 lbs

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    I looked up some numbers on Pat Smith and here is what I found
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    1994 30-0-0 (3 falls 24 bonus wins)
    1992 32-0-1 (13 falls 22 bonus wins
    1991 28-0-0 (2 falls 20 bonus wins)
    1990 32-4-1 (3 falls 19 bonus wins)
    Total 122-4-2 (21 falls 85 bonus wins)

    Not much of a pinner, but scored lots of bonus points.
    Most of his loses were in the early part of his freshman year (including a loss by fall) and he appeared to have avenge them all that year. At the time there was also no OT for dual matches, so it is conceivable that if he had taken a freshman redshirt and he could have been the first 4x undefeated college wrestler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Good eye... in fact they were so big that they actually had to wrestle 158 lbs
    Kinda unfair to let them wrestle 158 when everyone else has to wrestle 150. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    Kinda unfair to let them wrestle 158 when everyone else has to wrestle 150. . .
    Yeah, so I messed up...again. I could have sworn they were 150's.

    They both still looked tough and it did seem to be a gritty match. Worth a youtube watch anyway just to see Gable's antics during the match- hyperventilating, at one point almost climbing up onto the platform to help Ryan, giving up in disgust at the end of the match. He died 1000 deaths during that match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    I looked up some numbers on Pat Smith and here is what I found
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    1994 30-0-0 (3 falls 24 bonus wins)
    1992 32-0-1 (13 falls 22 bonus wins
    1991 28-0-0 (2 falls 20 bonus wins)
    1990 32-4-1 (3 falls 19 bonus wins)
    Total 122-4-2 (21 falls 85 bonus wins)

    Not much of a pinner, but scored lots of bonus points.
    Most of his loses were in the early part of his freshman year (including a loss by fall) and he appeared to have avenge them all that year. At the time there was also no OT for dual matches, so it is conceivable that if he had taken a freshman redshirt and he could have been the first 4x undefeated college wrestler.
    True but if he had taken his redshirt that year then he wouldn't have been able to redshirt in '93 when the Cowboys were banned from the postseason
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    About half of his finals match against Tom Ryan is on youtube as well and it is a pretty tough scrap. Smith's technique (low-single) was superior, which carried him through. Ryan was very active and very physical in this match but it appears that Pat deserved the win. To me, these two looked to be pretty big 150 pounders.
    My family has his 4th title recorded on home video (we recorded the entire national finals). We used to break it out during freshman orientation at the high school to try and recruit wrestlers. Of course that was back in the days that ESPN would give a recap of the first part of the match and only show the 3rd and maybe parts of the 2nd. One person I have never seen wrestle is Mark Smith, who of course stands out as being the only Smith never to win the national title. Mark is also the root of a "John can't coach family" argument that cropped up when Chris was getting recruited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FalconWrestlingKY View Post
    True but if he had taken his redshirt that year then he wouldn't have been able to redshirt in '93 when the Cowboys were banned from the postseason
    you are right on that account...
    What a travesty that would have been if he had missed title #4 due to the team being on probation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FalconWrestlingKY View Post
    My family has his 4th title recorded on home video (we recorded the entire national finals). We used to break it out during freshman orientation at the high school to try and recruit wrestlers. Of course that was back in the days that ESPN would give a recap of the first part of the match and only show the 3rd and maybe parts of the 2nd. One person I have never seen wrestle is Mark Smith, who of course stands out as being the only Smith never to win the national title. Mark is also the root of a "John can't coach family" argument that cropped up when Chris was getting recruited.
    Wasn't John Dmith the coach durng Pat's freshman year?
    So he gets the blame for one brother not becoming champ (who was a 3X AA and had the #1 seed twice and the #2 seed once) nad no credit for coaching the other brother to becoming a 4X champ.

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