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    That ain't stalling, sorry.

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    Kyle Dake, nothing else to say.
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    I really enjoyed watching the finals with you guys. Thanks for the company. Now I'll go pee.
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    I have info on Oliver but I won't share until after the finals
    I know from a VERY credible source that JO has been dealing with a seriously messed up ankle all year. Anytime he would touch his ribs that would be code for "my ankle hurts." Nice to see him pull through that and win the title. Also I am so happy to see Dake win
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    I have to ask a rules question regarding Brown/Perry:
    When the top guy drops to an ankle and makes no attempt to work back up (as Perry did in OT) - does the ref have to call stalemate the first time? If that is not a requirement, it was a horrible call. I don't think it is written that the ref has to, but if it is, bummer.

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    I'm happy to say that I saw Dake do it all four years. I think he's figured out Taylor, Dake is a much, much smarter and tactical wrestler than maybe he gets credit for. He countered everything Taylor had, and that is extremely impressive. Taylor is just head and shoulders above everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    I have to ask a rules question regarding Brown/Perry:
    When the top guy drops to an ankle and makes no attempt to work back up (as Perry did in OT) - does the ref have to call stalemate the first time? If that is not a requirement, it was a horrible call. I don't think it is written that the ref has to, but if it is, bummer.
    The announcers said they had to call it a stalemate, although that was news to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    I have to ask a rules question regarding Brown/Perry:
    When the top guy drops to an ankle and makes no attempt to work back up (as Perry did in OT) - does the ref have to call stalemate the first time? If that is not a requirement, it was a horrible call. I don't think it is written that the ref has to, but if it is, bummer.
    The ref stalemated it in 5 total seconds from whistle to whistle that time (:22 to :17). There is nothing the top guy can do to be stalling that quick. He was probably on the ankle for 3 seconds when the whistle comes.

    It was the ensuing ride for 17 seconds that won the match for Perry.

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    I think the call was too fast for either stalling or stalemate, so that almost makes the call worse. One guy is working his ass off and at least moving around the mat. the other guy is hanging on for dear life and not trying to improve does not equal stalemate in 2-3 seconds, as I think you correctly timed. I think he should have waited a bit more to see if Perry made an effort to move up.

    So I went to the rule book. I copied in the rules on stalemates and the parts of stalling that apply here.



    2.2 Stalemate
    When the contestants are interlocked in a position other than a pinning situation
    in which neither wrestler can improve position, the referee shall stop the match as
    soon as possible; wrestling will be resumed as for out of bounds.


    5.9.3.1 The offensive wrestler does not aggressively attempt to break down
    the opponent.

    5.9.3.3 The offensive wrestler grasping the defensive wrestler’s leg(s) with
    both hands or arms, unless such action is designed to break down the
    opponent for the purpose of securing a fall or to prevent an escape or
    reversal.

    5.9.3.4 Repeatedly grasping or interlocking hands around a leg without
    attempting an offensive move.


    Nothing about it looked like two intertwined wrestlers who couldn't improve. I think the ref should have waited a bit more to see if Perry made an effort to break down Brown (5.9.3.1) or if Brown couldn't get out and neither wrestler could improve (then the stalemate). Looking at the other the other two rules listed, it seems that you can drop down once as long as you work aggressively from there, but not repeatedly.

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