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    Default J Oliver

    Things are pretty quiet around here so I think I will start up some stuff.

    Is it just me, or is anyone else thinking that Oliver won't necessarily coast to his second title this year? While his stats are obviously impressive this year, he hasn't necessarily been going up against high caliber guys or for that matter not a lot of guys who are highly ranked in this year's relatively weak 149 class. In my opinion, his ideal weight is at 141; put J.O. at the 149 class in recent past when it was a very strong weight class and he runs into big trouble on a regular basis. Love the guy's wrestling skills and I think he is the future for us in f.s. at 66kg but for some reason I'm not totally convinced by him at 149.

    Looking at his side of the bracket, he makes the finals easily but I see real danger to him on the opposite side of the bracket in Vinson and Chamberlain, both seasoned guys who have beaten and/or hung with top-tier guys at 149 in the past.

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    He beat Von Ohlen 21-8 earlier this year. I'd say he needs to step his game up a little if he wants a shot at #2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    Things are pretty quiet around here so I think I will start up some stuff.

    Is it just me, or is anyone else thinking that Oliver won't necessarily coast to his second title this year? While his stats are obviously impressive this year, he hasn't necessarily been going up against high caliber guys or for that matter not a lot of guys who are highly ranked in this year's relatively weak 149 class. In my opinion, his ideal weight is at 141; put J.O. at the 149 class in recent past when it was a very strong weight class and he runs into big trouble on a regular basis. Love the guy's wrestling skills and I think he is the future for us in f.s. at 66kg but for some reason I'm not totally convinced by him at 149.

    Looking at his side of the bracket, he makes the finals easily but I see real danger to him on the opposite side of the bracket in Vinson and Chamberlain, both seasoned guys who have beaten and/or hung with top-tier guys at 149 in the past.
    I think his biggest threat is Dylan Ness. I'm a little biased as I am a rodent fan but Dylan on his game is a very dangerous wrestler.

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    Personally I see JO winning in handily.

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    Oliver seems to tighten up under pressure a bit sometimes. If his finals opponent can keep it close early, who knows?

    Then again, it might be a great time for him to step up his game. Didn't Jake Varner have the same questions about him early in his career? He clearly figured it out and own a bunch of 1-0 matches en route to Olympic gold. Oliver has the same sky-high potential IMO.

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    Chamberlain is sure to give him a good go. He's beaten a lot of the big names all season himself, and, like so many of those Pac 10 guys, they have that "luxury" of flying under the radar all season until they finally get unveiled at the national tournament, which means most don't know much about their styles.

    Assuming that both make it to the finals-which I think they will-it will be one of the better matches, I think.
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    I think he coasts. In my mind he is probably the biggest favorite in the tournament, although you could make a case for Ruth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    I think he coasts. In my mind he is probably the biggest favorite in the tournament, although you could make a case for Ruth.
    Agreed, but only if he wrestles his matches, which is relentless offense (and, he rarely doesn't succeed when he shoots). As we saw last year, he can shut down with the best of them when he faces good opponents. If he does that, Chamberlain will hold his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    He beat Von Ohlen 21-8 earlier this year. I'd say he needs to step his game up a little if he wants a shot at #2.
    You know, I knew this blowout would surface in this thread but that was a terrible style match-up going into the match for Von Ohlen, whose neutral game leaves something to be desired. Usually smashing the #4 seed this bad would indicate a totally dominant #1 seed with not much to worry about but Von Ohlen wrestled flat on his feet and couldn't spend any time on top, which is not a recipe for success against JO.

    Ness brought a physicality to Oliver that was hard for him to handle, at least from what I saw. A guy that is a little less willing than Ness to let J.O. get to his legs makes it all the more harder so I think Chamberlain gives him a stressful go. And don't sleep on Vinson, who (as an unnecessary reminder) has beaten Dake in the past.

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