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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    So Iowa was within 30 points which in my mind in not insurmountable. Throw in a few more pins and/or bonus points from a few of their guys plus maybe one or two more AA performances out of their guys that didin't place, and then maybe you make that difference up. Easier said than done obviously, the chaps on that team would bloody well be pretty bad-assed.
    30 is a pretty huge lead in tournament format. MD is worth 1 point, TF5 is worth 1.5, and pin is worth 2.

    Iowa had 2 guys miss AA, Ersland and Hand. Both guys were unseeded it, but made it in the R12.

    Looks like a pretty insurmountable lead to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    30 is a pretty huge lead in tournament format. MD is worth 1 point, TF5 is worth 1.5, and pin is worth 2.

    Iowa had 2 guys miss AA, Ersland and Hand. Both guys were unseeded it, but made it in the R12.

    Looks like a pretty insurmountable lead to me.
    Ah, stupid a$$ me using dual meet scoring in my thinking. Yeah, making up 30 pts would be basically impossible. Only two guys missing AA and still getting to R12 is pretty much insane; if that team can't beat the overall field then it can't be done.

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    I'm sure this is nowhere near is hard as at the national level, and has probably happened, but what about at the conference tournament? I remember a few years ago UW-Lacrosse had 9 finalists, and like 7 champions at the WIAC tournament. I'm sure they beat the field. Has anybody ever done that at say the Big Ten or Big Twelve Tournament?

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    It is crazy to consider that the 1997 Iowa lost 21-13 to OKlahoma State at the National Duals

    Anyone have the dual results for that 1997 dual between Iowa and OSU? That would be interesting to see, especially in light of that Iowa team setting the all-time NCAA points record!

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    As dominant as the Iowa and Okla State teams were, the 2001 Minnesota team was almost equally as impressive with 10AAs and nobody in the finals

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    Anyone have the dual results for that 1997 dual between Iowa and OSU? That would be interesting to see, especially in light of that Iowa team setting the all-time NCAA points record!
    That Iowa team was a big underdog to OSU going into nationals but Gable was the master motivator and got them to perform out of their minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cornellbigred04 View Post
    As dominant as the Iowa and Okla State teams were, the 2001 Minnesota team was almost equally as impressive with 10AAs and nobody in the finals
    That team was very impressive as well, but with nobody in the finals they didnt sniff the all time points record. Still, to get 10 AAs is unreal. The field definitely beat the crap out of that 2001 MN team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    That Iowa team was a big underdog to OSU going into nationals but Gable was the master motivator and got them to perform out of their minds.
    Wasn't that Gable's last year coaching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomWright25 View Post
    Anyone have the dual results for that 1997 dual between Iowa and OSU? That would be interesting to see, especially in light of that Iowa team setting the all-time NCAA points record!
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    Dual Meet Result

    #2 Oklahoma State 21 - #1 Iowa 13
    Date: 1997-01-19 - Location: Neutral
    Weight OSU Wrestler Opponent Result
    118 Teague Moore Whitmer W 8-5
    126 Eric Guerrero Mena W 3-2
    134 Steven Schmidt Ironside LOT 6-8
    142 Scott Reyna Gilliss W 5-1
    150 Jimmy Arias Koble WMD 13-3
    158 Hardell Moore Williams LTB 1-1
    167 Mark Branch Uker WMD 13-0
    177 Mark Smith Ersland WMD 12-3
    190 Aaron Strobel Fullhart LMD 1-10
    275 Ben Lee Hand L 4-6


    Lincoln Mac did not wrestle at 150 lb which could have tied the meet, but also note the two time OT matches were won by Iowa

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