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    Both times in-season I've been struck by how strange it is, considering what we know about both guys. Dake seems in control in neutral and the one trying to create more scoring opportunities. Taylor has yet to penetrate off his own shot, though he did nearly counter a Dake shot in the first match for a TD. Meanwhile Dake has been in deep on a couple of occasions without converting either. Taylor, meanwhile, has been the more effective mat wrestler for the majority of their matches (outside of the rideouts in the first match), riding Dake for longer and reversing Dake's ride, while Dake has struggled both times to get any sort of lengthy ride on Taylor (again, until he absolutely had to).

    Going into the matches, I think most presumed both guys would hold an advantage in the opposite area where they have actually held it. Is it just me?

    I'm forced to wonder if Taylor is somewhat mentally beaten like he seemed to be against Jenkins. The way his match with Jenkins played out in neutral is startlingly similar to how they've played out with Dake (outside of the cradle/pin, obviously) with Taylor being noticeably hesitant compared to his normal movement-based style. I know Dake is changing some of that by forcing ties, but even when Taylor gets some space, and he has in both matches, he's not moving as much and trying to create angles.

    Just some observations.
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    The problem I have with a merkle position being a clear reversal is the couple times before that match I didn't see it get called. I won't be able to bring up the exact matches I saw it happen but I remember me very clearly shouting "That's a Merkle!" when a ref wouldn't give a reversal. I am now going to rewatch the reversal before I go any further, hold on.
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    I still don't call it a reversal, maybe an escape for loss of control from David Taylor. Dake was getting into a merkle position but from my understanding to call a reversal then David Taylor's hands would've had to have been on the mat. Also looking at it during the roll it looks more to me like a reverse leg ride then a merkle, Dake didn't lock up the upper body until the roll was complete. I of course have the benefit of frame by frame examination long after the passions of the moment but I would've ruled that a loss of control for Taylor but not a reversal for Dake.
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    Falcon, a reversal i believe is different than a takedown in that regard. You can get awarded 2 for a standing reversal where you wont get 2 until a pivot point has touched the mat for a takedown. Thats why I believe Dake was awarded 2. Also, somebody else has mentioned it on here or another site that when Dake went behind or had the Merkle there was 43 seconds on the clock. Then when Taylor rolled there was 41 seconds on the clock. Yes, its only 2 seconds, but clearly enough time for reaction.

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    It's called a standing reversal. You don't have to be on the mat for a reversal to be called.

    You can't call that an escape, because then what if they roll backwards instead of forwards? Does Dake get a takedown now when their was never a loss of control by both wrestlers (i.e. they were separated), but just a switch in control? Of course not.
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    Zapp, exactly. I think there is something going on with him that is preventing him from jacking it up, not sure what. I honestly think he may not be comfortable wrestling friends.

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    As I watched the first time I agreed, robbery. Not anymore! Dake put Taylor in the Mercle position which according to the rules is now a dominant position, but since Taylor was on his feet it wouldn't matter, EXCEPT for the fact that Taylor's hand went down and touched the mat while his foot was still in the circle!! WATCH IT AGAIN! I 100% GUARANTEE IT WAS THE REVERSAL! (even though at first I disagreed)

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    Taylor has been known to lobby to the refs but during the match he didn't seem to have a problem with the call.

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    Ah see I didn't know about standing reversals. I also thought that to get two back points you had to hold it for 3 seconds. Kentucky was so far behind in the rules that I was stunned when I learned the truth after coming to Ohio. I can't tell you how many matches I lost because they wouldn't give me back points for two counts.
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