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    Isu is just plain bad! It's a sad sight in Ames. I know ban still believes in Kj but after odu I have to now say Kj has to go.

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    Ban pm'd me and said he was through posting for a while . He did not say why . i hope he is ok.I think if nicholson would have pushed the action more at 157 that kid would have just quit . 2 stall warnings and Nicholson had nearly 3 minutes Rt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    For the record, this is not a good ODU team. Looking at zero AA's from where I'm sitting.

    LeValley has a shot and Nicholson has an outside chance but yeah...not good.
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    Considering this ODU team scored -1 points against Missouri, this couldn't be the result ISU was looking for.

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    The majority of the ISU wrestlers are out of shape and maintain terrible mat awareness. I watched KJ's post meet news conference and he looked like a beat dog. Pollard best be sending out feelers for a new coach ASAP. The problem is ISU is so dang terrible right now no good coach will jump unless the $ is significant. Pollard meet Mark Perry and be ready to spend some serious cash because thats what you will have to do. It is really sad to watch an Iowa program perform at this level!

    Meeks is in for a long but grinding season if he doesn't get better from top/bottom. The kid hasn't lost back to back matches probably ever in folkstyle but after Ramos destroys him next week Meeks might regret his decision to not RS. His confidence will really be shakey if Ramos puts the hammer down and destroys him.

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    Just remember that not all programs are created equal. If you're comparing ODU to Iowa and Oklahoma State, no, they're not "good" in the sense of the word, but compare ODU to other teams Martin's had (and lord knows, before Stevie got to ODU), this isn't his best. There aren't any superstars. I could see maybe a guy in the R12 this year, but where they're ok, the nation is deep.

    ODU's best team in recent memory would have been the Nichoslon-Hutter-Williams-Brown-Mendoza-Strawn year.

    Consider this ... Tristan Warner's out for the year with a torn pec. He'd have been a favorite at 165 in the dual. It could have ended up a little worse.

    No seniors in this year's lineup. Dechow is doing pretty decent during his RS year as is Beazley. While they're not going to be a trophy team (if ever) the 13-14 lineup should be pretty decent in duals.

    125: Robinson/Deutsch
    133: Festejo
    141: LaValle/Mecate
    149: Richardson/Baldwin/Brumley
    157: Nicholson
    165: Warner
    174: Curling
    184: Dechow
    197: Beazley
    285: Tourdot

    That's not "good" if you're a lot of teams, but it's not bad if you're a lot of teams either.

    Good is relative.

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    Nov. 25, 2012


    ODU vs. ISU play-by-play (PDF)


    AMES, IOWA - The No. 25 Old Dominion University wrestling team won five straight matches late on Sunday afternoon to overcome an early 10-3 deficit and hand Iowa State a 22-13 loss in front of 2,055 fans at the Hilton Coliseum.

    This is the third consecutive year the two squads have faced one another as the Monarchs now move to 2-1 all-time in the series as ODU dropped the 18th-ranked Cyclones in Norfolk last season, 21-16.

    "We are proud of the way our guys are competing right now," said head coach Steve Martin. "Our goal was to wrestle hard the entire match and to put points on the board. We beat a Big Ten team last week in Wisconsin and a Big 12 team this week in Iowa State. You have to be ready to go when you are competing with a program that has won NCAA titles."

    Sunday started off with an upset for the Monarchs as redshirt junior Billy Curling upended ISU's No. 17 Mikey England at 174 pounds, 7-3. The Cyclones (0-1) were then able to reel off three straight wins in the upper weights behind three nationally ranked wrestlers. No. 15 Boaz Beard at 184 pounds and No. 15 Kyven Gadson at 197 pounds both came out victorious, as did heavyweight No. 17 Matt Gibson after redshirt sophomore Matt Tourdot pushed the reigning Big 12 champion to the brink before falling in a tight one, 4-3.

    With the line-up turning over, 125 pounds was one of two matches where both wrestlers entered the day ranked nationally as No. 17 Jerome Robinson used a first period takedown and a second period reversal to defeat 15th-ranked Ryak Finch. The Monarchs would then take the lead for good at 133 pounds when 19th-ranked Scott Festejo battled back to double up John Meeks, 6-3.

    In the other battle featured two nationally ranked foes, Old Dominion (2-2) again come out victorious this time at 141 pounds as No. 16 Justin LaValle won a thriller in sudden victory overtime, 5-3. The redshirt junior was down 3-0 after the first two periods but escaped and earned a takedown with 15 seconds left in regulation to force overtime where he earned a takedown of No. 18 Luke Goettl for the win.

    Freshman Alexander Richardson and No. 19 John Nicholson earned bonus team points for the Monarchs in the next two matches as Richardson pinned Iowa State's Matt White at the 1:15 mark in the 149-pound bout. Wrestling for the first time collegiately in his home state of Iowa, Nicholson had no problems handling Logan Molina at 157 pounds as he earned the 12-3 major decision behind five takedowns. The Cyclones ended the day scoring a 7-2 win at 165 pounds behind Michael Moreno over redshirt sophomore Adrin Taylor.

    #25 Old Dominion 22, Iowa State 13
    174: Billy Curling (ODU) dec. No. 17 Mikey England (ISU), 7-3
    184: #15 Boaz Beard (ISU) major dec. Austin Coburn (ODU), 10-2
    197: #15 Kyven Gadson (ISU) dec. Jacob Henderson (ODU), 4-2
    HWT: #17 Matt Gibson (ISU) dec. Matt Tourdot (ODU), 4-3
    125: #17 Jerome Robinson (ODU) dec. #15 Ryak Finch (ISU), 5-4
    133: #19 Scott Festejo (ODU) dec. John Meeks (ISU), 7-3
    141: #16 Justin LaValle (ODU) dec. #18 Luke Goettl (ISU), 5-3
    149: Alexander Richardson (ODU) fall Matt White (ISU), 1:15
    157: #19 John Nicholson (ODU) major dec. Logan Molina (ISU), 12-3
    165: Michael Moreno (ISU) dec. Adrin Taylor (ODU), 7-2

    Old Dominion returns to action next weekend at the Nittany Lion Open in State College, Pa. The next dual for the Monarchs takes place on Friday, Dec. 21 at 5 p.m. at the Ted Constant Convocation Center when American University comes to town.

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    As much of a fan as I am of KJ, it's really hard for me to say this, but he needs to go or make some drastic changes to the way he's coaching. I get the feeling that he might be coaching his college wrestlers too much like he coached his more mature freestyle wrestlers. The college kids need to be pushed, prodded and motivated more than the guys who put their life on hold to pursue the olympic dream. You don't even have to be a great wrestling coach to get your kids in shape and emotionally engaged, you just have to be a great coach, period. I have no doubt that KJ has the ability to teach them the technique and strategy to make them successful, but he's just not getting the job done with respect to the basics of competitive athletics, namely, physical fitness and instilling a culture of an expectation to win. Maybe he's just trying to be a buddy and friend to wrestlers rather than pushing them to their limits and beyond.

    I don't know; I hope he can turn things around. I just hate to see such a great program struggle like this. Perhaps there needs to be some changes at the AD level too? They did lose Cael and I'm not sure if I completely buy into Cael's reasoning for going to Penn State. There may have been some other issues at ISU that Cael, being the discreet and respectful guy that he is, just didn't talk about to the media.

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