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    I have to agree with VAIS ....(sorry, just threw up in my mouth), but Ive seen 4-1 matches where you just absolutely knew the other guy was never going to win that match. It happens. The Chamberlain/Lester match felt like that.
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  2. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    I have to agree with VAIS ....(sorry, just threw up in my mouth), but Ive seen 4-1 matches where you just absolutely knew the other guy was never going to win that match. It happens. The Chamberlain/Lester match felt like that.
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  3. #30

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    Hit me...

    That Dake/Molinaro match reminded me of a python just slowly enveloping his pray. Had they not blown a whistle after 7 minutes, Dake would still be there on top of Molinaros carcus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Did you not watch that match?
    Of course, and I'm not saying molinaro was anywhere near threatening in the match.

    I'll turn it around into a question, is 7 minutes of ride time and only 2 nearfall points good work on top?
    If they were on their feet for 7 minutes, and he only scored one TD without giving up any, would we say he destroyed the guy on his feet?

    Don't get me wrong, Dake is outstanding. It just seems like he is better at defense than offense and it shows up in matches against better guys. It is hard for me to call a regular decision "destroying" someone. Had he been able to score at will during those 7 minutes, then I would say he destroyed him..

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    I'd say he dominated Molinaro. Destroyed might be exteme, but dominated isn't.

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    That was an absolute mental destruction of Molinaro. I've rarely seen anything like that much less in a finals match. I disgree, that was dominate destruction. He was riding Molinaro for sport. He just wanted to show him he could ride him for seven minutes and he damn near did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    Of course, and I'm not saying molinaro was anywhere near threatening in the match.

    I'll turn it around into a question, is 7 minutes of ride time and only 2 nearfall points good work on top?
    First of all he got 3 points NF. Second, Im going to go out on a limb and say if you can ride someone for over 6 minutes and you can turn him that is good work on top.
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    Thanks for the math check, apparently I'm having trouble adding to 8 today.

    I probably should have worded the question differently since the original comment was destroying the guy. Oddly, the reason I asked this question was because of a conversation about Molinaro's (and just for the record, I don't pretend to put Molinaro on Dake's level either year). Frank's junior year he had a habit of getting 3-4 minutes of ride time, but might get 0-2 NF points. People said he was "good on top", but I didn't really think that description fit until his senior year when he was getting the same ride time but turning a guy 2 or 3 times and turning that same match into at least a major decision. Once he learned to score instead of just ride, I felt he became really good on top (again, relative to his competition that year).

    I think I prefer offensive wrestlers to those who have outstanding defense and have a match completely put away with a 2-3 point lead. It might also be that I need to see more of Dake's matches. We don't get much Cornell coverage, so I typically see him against the top couple guys in his weight only, and I see less scoring.

  9. #36

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    Since we're talking some about the Dake-Molinaro finals match, I'll add something I put on another board. I agree that Dake totally dominated Frank in that finals bout. That was clear to everyone. But, Frank improved a LOT by his SR year and I think if they had wrestled last year the match would have gone down differently. I'm sure Dake would still have won, but it would have been significantly different. I think Frank would have scored on one of his high crotches. He finished them a lot better his SR year. I don't think Frank would have chosen down! But, I still think Dake would have won.

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