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    Quote Originally Posted by Gantry View Post
    The weird thing is that there is was so much speculation about where he was going to go. So did JO spend all off season bulking up to 149 or decide recently to not try to cut to 141? If this was set in stone all offseason, you would think something would have been said right away.
    Yes, he spent the summer bulking up, but no it wasn't set in stone. They were going to see how big he was, and if 149 was a reasonable weight for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    If he made a conscious effort to "bulk" up to 149, then ok. I hadn't read that he did.
    Why wouldn't he make a conscious effort if he was going to that weight? Do you think JO would go to a weight where he wasn't strong?
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    Well wasn't the rumor that he missed weight at WTT for 60 kilos? If he was making a concerted effort to go up two weight classes, even if it was only a month after the season, why wouldn't he try for 66? Maybe that was all BS though, who knows. I'm sure JO will be a worldbeater at either weight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Why wouldn't he make a conscious effort if he was going to that weight? Do you think JO would go to a weight where he wasn't strong?
    No, I don't think he would go to a weight where he wasn't strong but it did cross my mind that the coach may have suggested it for the better of the team. If this suggestion came late then he might not have had time to bulk up. Since no one knew for sure which weight he was going until this late, it isn't out of the question to think that that miht have been what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Tessari sticks out as the type of wrestler that Oliver will pick apart with his technique (sadly Dylan Ness fits this description as well) he's too wide open.

    Chamberlain (who has beaten Oliver at 66 kilos in freestyle) and Alton who despite his undeserved reputation as a boom/bust guy is solid technically are the guys in my mind who could possibly threaten a 149 Oliver given that they can slow him down (see Oliver's only two losses in the last two years).

    If you get into a shootout with Oliver you aren't going to beat him, and shootouts are what Tessari does unless he's revamped his style.
    I agree that Tessari and Alton love shootouts but that is why I thought it might work for them. Yes, Oliver is much more technical but both Tessari and Alton have proven that they will go for the big move at any time, against anyone. They both like to go for throws and I don't think many 133ers had that style last year. I may be wrong but I don't remember any. Those are the type of things I think could suprise him and of his strength isn't equivilent to a strong 149, it could work.

    Of course, they will have to get a hold of him first and that's not easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    No, I don't think he would go to a weight where he wasn't strong but it did cross my mind that the coach may have suggested it for the better of the team. If this suggestion came late then he might not have had time to bulk up. Since no one knew for sure which weight he was going until this late, it isn't out of the question to think that that miht have been what happened.
    Whats best for the team is Jordan Oliver wrestling where he will do his best. Coach Smith knows that. Hes not shuffling the lineup around to find Kindig a comfortable spot Im sure of that.
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    And if they were doing the "for the team" thing its clear that Oliver would be at 141 and Kindig would be at 149 which apparently isn't going to be the case.

    Kindig has been horribly inconsistent the last couple of years (last year moreso than as a freshman)
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Whats best for the team is Jordan Oliver wrestling where he will do his best. Coach Smith knows that. Hes not shuffling the lineup around to find Kindig a comfortable spot Im sure of that.
    I'm sure he's not trying to cater to Kindig. I'm just saying that JO at 149 and Kindig at 141 may have been concluded as better for the team than the other way around. When asked if he would do it, I'm sure JO wouldn't say no. That's how I thought it could have happened. I think Art is saying that it didn't happen that way. He seems confident that this was the plan all along, so I guess it wasn't as last minute as they made it seem with the late announcement.

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    Knowing John he is already planning the next lineup by the end of the season. I remember we made comments earlier in his career that JO was to big for 133 and he needed to stop cutting so much if he wanted to be as good as he could be.
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