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    Oliver is a favorite at either weight. All the PSU and Minny fans are busy trying to justify their guys being favorites but they aren't.

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    149 is a much stronger weight class than 141. If JO wrestles at 141 I would make him a prohibitive favorite. At 149 he is definitely not the favorite to beat the field. Even if he averages an 88% favorite to win each match at NCAA's he would be a slight underdog (<50%) to win five consecutive matches. Throw in injuries, illness, and/or being undersized at the weight and the odds are against JO winning the 149 title.

    JO is the best wrestler at 141 or 149, but that is not the same thing as placing first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stplace View Post
    Oliver is a favorite at either weight. All the PSU and Minny fans are busy trying to justify their guys being favorites but they aren't.
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    I honestly see him losing to stronger type wrestlers at this weight. He might end up the national champion but I don't see him going undefeated. Heck, he didn't even go undefeated last season at two weight classes lower. If I remember correctly, he didn't even win the NCAA championship last year. And based off of his earlier performances, he may have finished 3rd in the Big 10. So I do agree that he is in the mix to win ot and may be the favorite but he is by no means an automatic.

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    I guess my thought is that he didn't even win it at 133 last year so its kind of stupid talk to assume he'll jump up two weights and be the favorite. Is he in the mix? Sure. If you want to crown him, CROWN HIM. He IS who we THOUGHT he was.
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    JO is great, but he lost to a freshman last year. I don't see him jumping 2 weights classes, which for little guys is huge. You may remember Jayson Ness's first year at 133.......he lost quite a few matches and placed 4th or 5th in the B10 before storming to 3rd in teh NCAA and beating some guys who had previously beaten him. I can see him getting manhandled by Ness and a few other guys. I mean, how would he havce done agaisnt Frank the Tank, eh?
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    I would definitely call him the favorite but I am cautious to crown him b/c of the size and strength differences. I am not a true insider so I'm not sure how much the size and strength plays into a jump from 133-149. I would GUESS it to be more significant than say 174-197. But I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I honestly see him losing to stronger type wrestlers at this weight.
    Who? With Molinaro graduating there aren't any overpoweringly physical guys left at the weight class.

    I'm not following the line of thinking with people that Oliver is going to be "too small" yes he was a 133 last year but he was a BIG 133 pounder. People had made noise about him being 160+ in the off season after his freshman year.

    I have this funny idea that he'll come into this year big enough to where size isn't going to be the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Who? With Molinaro graduating there aren't any overpoweringly physical guys left at the weight class.

    I'm not following the line of thinking with people that Oliver is going to be "too small" yes he was a 133 last year but he was a BIG 133 pounder. People had made noise about him being 160+ in the off season after his freshman year.

    I have this funny idea that he'll come into this year big enough to where size isn't going to be the issue.
    I think any strong 149er who is dropping weight will be stronger. I know I joke a lot about Tessari but he is the TYPE of wrestler that I think will give JO problems. I understand that he was a big 133 but that translates into a small 149. If he made a conscious effort to "bulk" up to 149, then ok. I hadn't read that he did.

    Again, I have him as the favorite but not a huge favorite. I actually wouldn't be suprised if he ends up going 141.

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