View Poll Results: Dake or Taylor who wins?

Voters
63. You may not vote on this poll
  • Dake over Taylor

    37 58.73%
  • Taylor over Dake

    20 31.75%
  • Dake would win but it won't happen.

    6 9.52%
  • Taylor would win but it won't happen.

    0 0%
Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 123456 ... LastLast
Results 19 to 27 of 69

Thread: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

  1. #19
    NCAA Champ BlueBloodLion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    The same planet as you
    Posts
    1,029

    Default Re: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    After watching the Dake-Taylor FS match it is hard not to pick Dake. I know it is a different style and all that, but Dake thoroughly schooled him.

    If Dake wins this matchup and then title number #4 at either weight, my book has him as second best NCAA wrestler ever behind Cael.
    With a handful of brain-fart losses in his career, I have trouble putting Dake ahead of Gable.

  2. #20
    World Champ ODH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Posts
    3,968

    Default Re: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    With a handful of brain-fart losses in his career, I have trouble putting Dake ahead of Gable.
    Fair enough, although I think people tend to add in Gable's Olympic and Coaching accomplishments to his college career.
    It is difficult to compare their careers as Gable could not wrestle his Freshman year, but Gable did have his only loss when it mattered most.

    I also think I am giving Dake too much credit for winning multiple weight classes. This sounds hugely impressive at first, but really so what? The fact that he grew in college does not make him a better wrestler than someone who didn't.

  3. #21
    NCAA Champ BlueBloodLion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    The same planet as you
    Posts
    1,029

    Default Re: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    I also think I am giving Dake too much credit for winning multiple weight classes. This sounds hugely impressive at first, but really so what? The fact that he grew in college does not make him a better wrestler than someone who didn't.
    That's a good point. I hadn't thought about it, but just like everyone else, he just has to be the best at a given weight for that one year. It's not like he would have been the best every year at all four weights. When it gets hyped as Four at Four, it subconsciously seems like he owned all four weights the whole time.

    Huh

  4. #22

    Default Re: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

    Didn't recall that he never got away, but what I remember was that DSJ was constrantly getting to his feet, got out of bounds frequently for restarts, was never turned, and although evidently ridden was not really controled as I've seen Dake due to others. I was mightily impressed with DSJ's work on bottom. DC

    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    What are you talking about? DSJ DIDNT get away from Dake. At any point. Ever. Recall DSJ took neutral after being ridden out the 1st period.

    DT has a legitimate chance of reversing Dake. DT reverses almost everyone..

  5. #23
    NCAA Champ BlueBloodLion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    The same planet as you
    Posts
    1,029

    Default Re: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

    So he didn't get out, but he did an outstanding job of not scoring.

    Got it.

  6. #24

    Default Re: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Cutter View Post
    Didn't recall that he never got away, but what I remember was that DSJ was constrantly getting to his feet, got out of bounds frequently for restarts, was never turned, and although evidently ridden was not really controled as I've seen Dake due to others. I was mightily impressed with DSJ's work on bottom. DC
    You were mightily impressed with someones bottom skills who was unable to get away..

    Your evaluation skills are bar none.
    To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.

  7. #25

    Default Re: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Fair enough, although I think people tend to add in Gable's Olympic and Coaching accomplishments to his college career.
    It is difficult to compare their careers as Gable could not wrestle his Freshman year, but Gable did have his only loss when it mattered most.

    I also think I am giving Dake too much credit for winning multiple weight classes. This sounds hugely impressive at first, but really so what? The fact that he grew in college does not make him a better wrestler than someone who didn't.
    ODH--I don't know how far back you go--whether you got to see Gable wrestle while in college. I was a contemporary and he was a legend before his olympic and coaching careers. It wasn't just the unbeaten string (as great as that was), but also the way he dominated opponents. He was an incredible pinner, more dominating than Dake against tough guys. Not taking anything at all from Dake--a phenomenal wrestler!! Just wanted to chime in that Gable was legendary even as a college wrestler before his other careers. Agree that the fact Gable couldn't wrestle his FR year makes comparison more difficult.

  8. #26

    Default Re: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    That's a good point. I hadn't thought about it, but just like everyone else, he just has to be the best at a given weight for that one year. It's not like he would have been the best every year at all four weights. When it gets hyped as Four at Four, it subconsciously seems like he owned all four weights the whole time.

    Huh
    Right. It is not the same as boxing, where a guy moving up in weight has to beat a current, defending champ to claim the new weight. Generally, an NCAA weight doesn't have a defending champ in it year after year. In all three of his titles, Dake did not have to face a defending champ (champs before him: 141=Jaggers, 149=Metclaf, 157=Jenkins). By moving up to 165, he has a shot at Taylor, who not only is the defending champ at 165 but also the defending Hodge winner as well as the OW at NCAAs (WOW, just read that. I'm sure that would be unprecedented).

    Which begs the question, would Dake be able to beat the three listed predecessors at his championship weights

  9. #27

    Default Re: Dake vs Taylor, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    Right. It is not the same as boxing, where a guy moving up in weight has to beat a current, defending champ to claim the new weight. Generally, an NCAA weight doesn't have a defending champ in it year after year. In all three of his titles, Dake did not have to face a defending champ (champs before him: 141=Jaggers, 149=Metclaf, 157=Jenkins). By moving up to 165, he has a shot at Taylor, who not only is the defending champ at 165 but also the defending Hodge winner as well as the OW at NCAAs (WOW, just read that. I'm sure that would be unprecedented).

    Which begs the question, would Dake be able to beat the three listed predecessors at his championship weights


    Interesting question "of". Since we'll never know, we can say anything we like. Under no pressure, and considering Dake wrestling sequentially as a FR, SO, JR I would say: 141--unlikely to be 2x champ Jaggers ; 149--unlikely to beat Metcalf 157--Jenkins--depends on which Jenkins shows up, but I think Dake as JR wins 4 out of 5.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •