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    Pretty self explanatory topic. Last year we had Palmer, and O'Connor, and not to pat myself on the back or anything, but I called O'Connor preseason last year to AA, Palmer did surprise me a little though, I didn't think he'd be good enough on his feet immediately.

    These predictions will obviously change when we see who's definitely wrestling and who isn't...

    I like Jantzen as a low AA at 133, or 141, and then Gardner as 5th'ish at a ridiculously thin heavyweight.

    The Ohio State young boys, Nemec and Sponseller have a shot too, Sponseller more so than Nemec in my opinion due to the thinned out 165 class.

    It'll be interesting to see how Sponseller as a true freshman, and Reader and Glasser coming out of redshirt do in the scramble to make up that second tier behind Perry and Tann.
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    True freshmen are always a crapshoot. There's just such a difference between levels. The first thing is - can the kid be ridden? Here are some Hawkeye observations from the '90s. In that period Gable twice decided to pull the redshirt. Lincoln Mac (and he got both Lincoln and Troy Steiner to cut serious weight - possibly costing Steiner his second NCAA title) and McGinniss. Both decisions may have led to NCAA team titles.

    At no time did Gable consider wrestling Ironside as a true freshman - Mark just couldn't get out from underneath.

    I realize that Jantzen has to wrestle because of Ivy League rules - but otherwise, very few kids should wrestle as true freshmen (IMHO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gg121and2 View Post
    True freshmen are always a crapshoot. There's just such a difference between levels. The first thing is - can the kid be ridden? Here are some Hawkeye observations from the '90s. In that period Gable twice decided to pull the redshirt. Lincoln Mac (and he got both Lincoln and Troy Steiner to cut serious weight - possibly costing Steiner his second NCAA title) and McGinniss. Both decisions may have led to NCAA team titles.

    At no time did Gable consider wrestling Ironside as a true freshman - Mark just couldn't get out from underneath.

    I realize that Jantzen has to wrestle because of Ivy League rules - but otherwise, very few kids should wrestle as true freshmen (IMHO).
    I don't disagree for the most part, especially with true freshmen for the most part being a crap shoot. But we've had six AA in just the past two years alone. Guys are coming into college more ready than ever.
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    I think the reason why we are starting to see more true freshman doing well is because there are just more opportunities out there for them to compete in Open's or get in a room and work out with those college studs.

    My guess is Jantzen and Gardner will AA. Jantzen is a stud and, like mentioned, HWT has to be its weakest in years.
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    Admittedly, some of these kids may still be 2 or 3X national champs (D Schlatter). I still submit that most kids (if not all) are better off with a redshirt year. Here in Iowa a popular forum debate is, "Would Tsirtsis and Fields have had more impressive careers had they redshirted as freshmen?"

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    Very true. Jim Zalesky had a great recruiting class last year and is most likely going to redshirt all of them. He's banking on their future success and willing to bite the bullet this year to do so. He still expects them to do well, but next year, look for this decision to pay dividends over the long term for the Beavers.
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    Sorry guys, even in a soft 285 don't see Gardner AA this year. I do think Jantzen will take a medal home.
    Reader will also have a nice year and bring home some hardware.
    The combo of Glasser and Saf will help keep the young stud, Glasser, fresh for a good run at the end of a long season, when many hit the wall, Scotty should be a AA as a freshman.

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    the great wrestling state of NY has had 3 true fresh AA's in the last 2 seasons...no reason to think Mr Jantzen won't continue that trend

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    Jantzen is the best shots for true frosh AA's, but there's some real open weights this year after the top 2-3, 165 being one of them. I'd also keep an eye on Sponseller this year. That kid's a load.

    Reader is probably the top RS-Freshman with the best shot.

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