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    Quote Originally Posted by grapplefan View Post
    And leave beautiful Ithaca and Ivy League expectations for the hot seat in Happy Valley? No way.
    I don't know why he would want to leave Cornell, either. If I were a blue chip D1 recruit, Cornell would be very high on my list. There doesn't seem to be any downside--unless you have a bias for a local school or something.


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    I don't know why he would want to leave Cornell, either. If I were a blue chip D1 recruit, Cornell would be very high on my list. There doesn't seem to be any downside--unless you have a bias for a local school or something.
    remember Ivies do not allow any athletic scholarships. I could see how it would be tempting for someone like Koll to go to a school where he could compete for a National title without the restrictions of athletes needing to meet higher academic admissions and no money to give out.

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    Ivies do however have grants and such that can be unlimited. They are not limited to 9.9 grants on the team.
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    I don't know why he would want to leave Cornell, either. If I were a blue chip D1 recruit, Cornell would be very high on my list. There doesn't seem to be any downside--unless you have a bias for a local school or something.
    Or a bias against a RIDICULOUSLY rigorous academic workload in addition to being a d1 wrestler, which would eliminate a heck of a lot of time from your studies.

    A lot of kids can't even go to cornell, Koll literally has to get the best and the brightest, and then you have to make them want to go to your school. Sounds like hard work to me, hats off to Koll though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    Ivies do however have grants and such that can be unlimited. They are not limited to 9.9 grants on the team.
    Grants are based on financial need only. Per their own rules no money is given for athletics.

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    Or a bias against a RIDICULOUSLY rigorous academic workload in addition to being a d1 wrestler, which would eliminate a heck of a lot of time from your studies.

    A lot of kids can't even go to cornell, Koll literally has to get the best and the brightest, and then you have to make them want to go to your school. Sounds like hard work to me, hats off to Koll though.

    Is there workload that much more than any reputable state school?
    A lot depends on how much they want to be top in the class room as well as athletically and what major they choose. It might be easier to coast by academically in a state school, but I betting that all those nationally ranked wrestlers are not taking on a "RIDICULOUSLY rigorous academic workload".

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    remember Ivies do not allow any athletic scholarships. I could see how it would be tempting for someone like Koll to go to a school where he could compete for a National title without the restrictions of athletes needing to meet higher academic admissions and no money to give out.
    Whatever restrictions Rob Koll works under, he produces great teams and developes great wrestlers year after year. He just doens't have to go anyplace else to be 'successfull'.
    He is truly amazing IMO!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLV View Post
    Whatever restrictions Rob Koll works under, he produces great teams and developes great wrestlers year after year. He just doens't have to go anyplace else to be 'successfull'.
    He is truly amazing IMO!!!
    Agreed he does a fantastic job at Cornell, but because handicaps of Cornell being an Ivy school, I don't ever think he will win a national team championship. (I'm sure, Koll probably does not feel the same way)

    If he was at Penn State without those issues, you would think that with the same success he would able to win a National team title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Grants are based on financial need only. Per their own rules no money is given for athletics.
    And with tuition and expenses that high, most student qualify for financial aid. Furthermore, the job good prospects for graduates relieve some of the wrestlers from feeling like wrestling success is there only hope. (That was paraphrased from the remarks that Koll made before the Nationals this year.)

    I've never seen Ivy League wresting coaches as unfairly limited. Yes, they have no wrestling scholarships or redshirts. But with only 9.9 scholarships allowed per Division I team, and with such abundant financial aid for students in "need" at Ivy League schools, the real problem is finding "A" students who can survive the tough admissions process.
    I know some of you may disagree, but there's a lot of very smart wrestlers who are also very good.

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