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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    Anyone want to take a stab at calculating the team scores based off of these results?
    SHP usually does them when I do these threads.

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    I thought this was a Pizza Hut reading program. Used to be a manager there back from 88' - 92'.
    hahahahaha i totally remember that program! i either lied about the books read, or picked ones with very few pages. either way that personal pan pizza hit the spot. too bad i couldnt drink beer back then.

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    I remember it as well. Funny.
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    My prediction here is that the Badgers will have an AA at heavyweight. Don't overlook Connor Medbury. DC

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    1. Alan Gelogaev If He Stays Healthy (Oklahoma State)
    2. Tony Nelson (Minnesota)
    3. Dom Bradley (Missouri)
    4. Jarod Trice (Central Michigan)
    5. Mike McMullan (Northwestern)
    6. Bobby Telford (Iowa)
    7. Chad Hanke (Oregon State)
    8. Jeremy Johnson (Ohio)
    R12. Matt Gibson (Iowa State), Zac Thomusseit (Pittsburgh), Spencer Myers (Maryland), Levi Cooper (Arizona State)

    I'm shamelessly stealing a joke from Bill Simmons here in my little addition to Gelogaev If He Stays Healthy's name. Time will tell just how badly I beat it into the ground. After being hurt really early in the year a couple of years ago there were still questions about how well he'd wrestle here at this weight class coming into the year. I think its pretty safe to say that until his unfortunate injury late in the year last year he'd answered every one of them with flying colors. He was utterly dominant beating Nelson the eventual NCAA Champion 16-5 in an early season dual where he just threw him all over the mat. He had a huge major over Telford in the dual against Iowa where he came out and threw him with his trademark leg lace lateral and nearly pinned him. People wondered about his gas tank last year and it was there. People questioned whether he could get away from good guys and he did. So long as he's healthy I don't see anyone beating him here.

    And the fact that I don't see anyone beating Gelogaev If He Stays Healthy hurts because I loved watching Tony Nelson last year en route to his eventual NCAA championship as a sophomore. After being super solid as a freshman but being limited because he just wasn't strong enough to get to his power offense against bigger guys he came back last year much stronger and it certainly paid off for him. It was crazy watching him defend shots against guys just by posting on their heads and just forcing his leg to the ground. In the finals against Rey he kept Rey on the mat with just a spiral. Just with pure horsepower and strength. As much as it hurts me to say though I think Gelogaev If He Stays Healthy is just too skilled. A match between the two is going to be wrestled on the feet for the majority of the time and Gelogaev If He Stays Healthy just has too many ways to score.

    Dom Bradley comes in here as the first of several guys at this weight who weren't here last year after taking Olympic years. He finished 3rd two years ago as a junior after finally working his way into the line up after the graduation of former NCAA Champion Mark Ellis. He's a guy who has had a ton of success wrestling freestyle for a long time. He's a guy who has some tank issues and thats one of the main reasons why I like the two guys I have above him to out perform him. Seems like a guy who you could conceivably get more out of but he's comfortable and good at winning most matches 3-2 so thats what he does.

    Like Dom Bradley we didn't see Trice last year as he spent the year on the side after taking an Olympic year. He won a tough Midlands tournament bracket but other than that we didn't see him wrestling folk at all. Has a great history at this weight class getting himself on the podium as a sophomore and as a junior. He was 4th as a junior losing to Dom Bradley for 3rd. Like Bradley he's a guy who you can see has the potential to put more points on the board than he does. He keeps matches close and its proven to be pretty effective for him.

    McMullan finishing 3rd here at this weight was one of the more surprising outcomes at this weight last year at NCAA's and while he definitely benefitted from Flores being injured on the third day he'd had a great couple of days leading up to that point and then he showed he wasn't a fluke when he beat Clayton Jack in a pretty dominant performance for 3rd. He was a little up and down through out the year last year. He's on the small side for a heavyweight and I think it may have taken him some time to get used to taking on the big guys consistently every week.

    There was a point in time last year where things didn't look good for Bobby Telford. After losing a close match to Jarod Trice in the Midlands final he didn't win a match for two or three weeks, he actually got sent to the bench for a time in place of Blake Rasing. Come Big 10's though he was back to firing on all cylinders and he beat Cameron Wade in the semi's before losing a close match to Nelson in the final. Then he came out at NCAA's a couple of weeks later and performed exactly as projected he was seeded 5th and he wound up finishing 5th. Similar to Nelson as a freshman he had a great year and you can see potential for more, he just has to get stronger. I don't know if he breaks through like Nelson did last year but the top 4 guys on my list here are all seniors so in two years this weight will basically get turned over to him and his longtime rival McMullan.

    After watching Chad Hanke be just kind of average through several folkstyle seasons I have to admit that it really surprised me when he made the final three match series at the 2011 World Team Trials which allowed him to take the Olympic year last season. He had been just ok as a collegiate 197 but he had some nice wins at that tournament up at 96 kilos before he ran into Jake Varner. He wrestled last year at heavyweight for Oregon State and had a solid year unattached, he was the only guy to beat Gelogaev then he was 3rd (I think) in what was a brutal heavyweight bracket at the Scuffle. It'll be interesting for me and I'm sure many others to see if he's able to continue to have that level of success in folkstyle this year. Bumped up to heavyweight to replace Clayton Jack I like him to do well.

    Jeremy Johnson wound up having the breakout season that I predicted for him two years ago, he just had it a year later than I expected last year when he came out and finished 7th. I'd seen him have a ton of success wrestling freestyle and figured he'd eventually translate the success into folkstyle. Stylistically he's a fun guy to watch. He doesn't wrestle many 3-2 matches. He had a win early in the year over McMullan and then for the majority of the year was just super solid beating the guys that he should and losing to the guys that you probably figure would be better than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    1. Dylan Ness (Minnesota)
    2. Andrew Alton (Penn State)
    3. Jason Chamberlain (Boise State)
    4. Destin McCauley (Iowa State)
    5. Ian Miller (Kent State)
    6. Donnie Vinson (Binghamton)
    7. Eric Grajales (Michigan)
    8. Cam Tessari (Ohio State)
    R12. Scott Sakaguchi (Oregon State), Cole Von Ohlen (Air Force), Mario Mason (Rutgers), David Habat (Edinboro)

    Came into last season predicting Dylan Ness to be in the finals against Frank Molinaro, and it wound up turning out to be one of the more prescient predictions that I've made in the several years where I've been really breaking things down when I do these. I won't pretend like I didn't come to doubt that pick several times through out the year to the point to where I think I had him in the Round of 12 in January but he really started to turn things on over the course of the second half of the year. It wasn't until NCAA's though where he started wrestling like I kind of expected him to as a more conventionally dynamic version of his brother. I always felt Jayson was very underrated as a neutral wrestler because of the style he wrestled, Dylan wrestles a more open neutral based style and like I said NCAA's were when things finally came together as he upset Jamal Parks and Tyler Nauman in successive rounds to make the final. Has some crazy counters that he likes to force sometimes which can get him in trouble but with another year of seasoning I think he's able to eliminate those issues.

    Despite the fact that some rumors popped up at the beginning of the year last year that he might wrestle, we didn't see Andrew Alton last year. He comes back here this year up a weight ready to fill Frank Molinaro's very large shoes and I think he's going to be up to the task. The thought of a match between him and Ness is already making me excited. Needless to say I would expect fireworks. Still owns one of the coolest moves I've ever seen from two years ago when he was wrestling Lehigh where he faked a duck under and then came and hit a huge headlock going the other way for a fall. People may try and get down on his season two years ago because he wasn't an All American but other than his R12 loss to Kemmerer all his other losses were really just a function of being in an utterly rugged weight class. He had losses that year to Russell, Marion, Kennedy, and Thorn. Possibly had some weight issues at the end of his freshman year. I think the move to 149 will help alleviate those just like they did with Molinaro.

    Given that he's the most seasoned guy here at the weight class and he's had a stellar off season wrestling freestyle including a recent win in a tough University National weight maybe I "should" have Chamberlain at least one spot higher but I'll be honest doing that would bore me. Chamberlain is a very good wrestler but he's very basic and doesn't really put up a lot of points and I think in the grand scheme of things thats going to hurt him in matches against either Ness or Alton because despite their big moves they're both able to wrestle basic as well. Basically I think they have more ways to win. They can win tight against Chamberlain or they can win a shootout. I don't see Chamberlain beating them if the combined score is over 8 or 9 points.

    With Iowa State winning McCauley's services for the coming season he should definitely be one of the more talked about guys in the nation next year. Spent a year last year at the OTC not a technical redshirt but one in all but name. Got a lot of good experience wrestling senior level freestyle and I think he's able to carry that success into his folkstyle season next year. Absolute high school phenom winning 5 state titles for Apple Valley but more important he's a guy who has been wrestling age group freestyle events against college guys for several years now and seeing a lot of success. This fall won't be the first time he's seen these guys, he's wrestled and beaten many of them over the last few springs and summers and I think that experience will serve him well.

    When it comes to Ian Miller the first thought that I have about his season last year is that Kent State had another guy who had an awesome freshman year for them a few years ago but then wasn't an All American very similar to how Miller was one of the breakout guys in the country last year and then had a bad NCAA tournament. That guy who wasn't an All American a few years ago is coming back this year to man Kent State's 197 weight class again after taking an Olympic year last year as the defending National Champion. So what I'm getting at is I like big things out of Miller this season. Super dynamic, super exciting wrestler from the feet. Dirty inside trip that he's able to hit against quality guys. Hard to figure what happened to him last year at NCAA's but whatever it was I don't see it continuing this year.

    It seemed like for almost two years there I had Vinson as my 7th or 8th place guy at this weight class in every set of picks that I did here almost just for lack of a better option but given how he performed last year I've moved him up a little bit here and I feel good about predicting a return to the podium for him. Beat Andrew Alton last year at the Nittany Lion Open ruining the possible Molinaro v. Alton final that everyone was expecting. Got knocked off in the first round at NCAA's and then just utterly laid waste to the consolation bracket wrestling all the way back to take 3rd. With Popolizio leaving Binghamton he may or may not transfer but wherever he is I expect him on the podium.

    Got to get some Grajales in here so Zapp doesn't flip out. In all seriousness though he's a guy who deserves to be in here despite the fact that he wasn't an All American last year going down to Molinaro in the quarter finals at NCAA's and then facing an unfortunate R12 match up with Vinson who as I already mentioned went on an utter warpath through the back side at NCAA's. Markedly improved last year from his freshman season. Still had some gas tank issues but he wrestled well enough to where Jim Gibbons stopped clowning him and saying he looked tired when he got off the bus. High point of the year was at Las Vegas where he dominated his way through the tournament capped off with a major over Von Ohlen in the final. Possibility definitely exists that with Russell's graduation he heads down to 141 but for now he's here.

    Like Vinson (who he'd go on to lose to for 3rd) Tessari got upset in the first round at NCAA's as a seeded wrestler but then blazed a path of devastation through the wrestle backs at NCAA's. Had a really sneaky solid season last year but was still under the radar as an All American pick for a lot of people coming into NCAA's. Unfortunately for him the big memory that a lot of people had of him from the regular season last year was of the guy who Ian Miller nearly killed or the guy who got the phantom pin over Ness. To his credit he had wins last year over Nauman, Accordino, and Sakaguchi. Super fun to watch and it'll be interesting to see him this year with some more seasoning. Very wide open wrestler.
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